Serious Issues

A wise friend once told me:

Try to show yourself as perfection and you will fail, for nobody is perfect.
Try to show yourself a sinner and you will succeed, but will not gain a friend.
Try to show yourself a sinner forgiven and you show what God's grace is about.

We as Christians seem goody goody. But we're really a bunch of rotten people at times. Many of us have cheated on our wives, stolin from work, and even misquoted the bible to fit our own desires. We as humans desire to fulfil the desires of our hearts because it brings us comfort and joy. And sometimes, even Christians go about doing that the wrong way.

If you were to walk in complete darkness, you can run into things, trip over objects, stub toes, and maybe even cut yourself. That's kind of a metaphor of living a life without God. You're stumbling around life trying to brave the unknown yourself. You never know what to expect and you are tripped up and get hurt many times.

If you were to walk in light, you can see what's around you, avoid sharp objects, walk around obstacles, and make your way to the fridge with ease. That's kind of a metaphor of living a life with God. God knows where you are going and what you want to do. So God is there to help guide you through the world. He brings you situations to help improve your talents and abilities for the tasks you are going to be doing.

That is why we choose to live a 'goody goody' life. It is a win win situation for everybody. We try and help each other, we try to help others, and God blesses and helps us. Whereas those who live a life alone with no God are trying to help themselves will have a harder time dealing with pains, stresses, and hardships.

So it all depends on the type of life you want to live. You can either encounter bad things in life and deal with the stresses and depressions of it yourself, or you can encounter bad things in life and allow the creator of the universe to uplift your heart and give you courage and strength to overcome it with better ease.

So it may seem like worthless goodiness that nobody needs. But its really the blessings of the heart and of God, and the attempt to live righteous in God's eyes make for an easier and more enjoyable life.

Anyhoo. My 2 cents.
 
I'm 21 years old, and btw, if your younger than me, then argh...

also, btw, most of the advices, posting, were younger than me, uhhh...how are you young people soo smart?
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I never said I was handycaped, I am disabled, I think there 2 different words. Handycaped as paralized, a wheel chair person, no offense, like the star from the old Superman movies. Disabled means as has only 3 out of 4 senses, or just something missing in the body. Like blind people, they can hear, speak, touch but can not see, no offense. Now, I'm not in the sense category, but I do have something missing. Understanding is my problem, if u ask me what does, "apple" mean, I would say a red fruit, ok, but... if u ask me who is, "god" in my opinion, i wouldnt know, personally. or the word, 'personally', lol
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ok fine ur handy-capable, which includes disabled and handycaped people alike
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. and for me ive read my Bible for bout 8 years so i have a good start for being 14.
 
16 yrs right here.. lol sry i caused an "arg" :S

it's ok. I sometimes have hardtime understanding. However, i think if u think deeply inside, and listen to them with ur hearts open, thats when u truly understand a person.
 
It's not all cotton wool and prozac as Malohaut suggests. The thing he forgot to cover in his analogy is that what you are doing is effectively giving away responsibility to God. Which is fine - it'll help you get through the small stuff and the nitty gritty of every day life.

A lot of people, though, find that some event comes along that challenges their ability to do that. It could be the death of a family member, the collapse of a business or relationship, an illness or injury of their own - whatever the case. When something like that comes along, someone who stands on their own feet can at least cop to any mistakes they made, but be confident that they tried their best but there was nothing anyone could do. If your best friend is an omnipotent, omniscient God though, there's nothing they couldn't do to help you - if they could be bothered. Saying "It's all part of Gods wonderful plan for me" might help with resitting an exam, paying the Gas bill or losing your wallet. It will ring awfully hollow when your kid is bleeding out in an ICT bed, or when you're diagnosed with Terminal cancer or your wife of twenty years leaves you and the kids for another man. Most people find that their ability to pass their troubles off to God can't quite make it to that extent, they become bitter that God didn't help them and the sudden loss of that safety net at a time when they need it most can be devastating.
 
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Quote[/b] ]Most people find that their ability to pass their troubles off to God can't quite make it to that extent, they become bitter that God didn't help them and the sudden loss of that safety net at a time when they need it most can be devastating.
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And those that do learn to give it over to God always come out on top hundreds of times better. Case in point, one of the family businesses was litterly bleeding cash from the inside out. At least three people on the inside was defrauding us. We never could catch them. We did the human thing and tried to do something about it. Nothing we tried worked from hiring a PI to pointing fingers. Then one day, collectively as a family we said, God this truly is in your hands. The next day, we caught the foreman using our facilities to compete with us. The day after that, the GM up and quit and then the purchaser quit. This was about 4 years ago. Since then, we have become so successful that we can't keep product in inventory. It was extremely stressful and the family and I are very business savy. So go figure.

Its not a safety net. Everytime I put my trust into Gods will completely, whether it was over the death of my father in law, or when I found out my father has cancer, or during the business strife, during my sons many emergency visits or operations, I've come out on top. So, my testimony pretty much blows your theory into shattered little bits.
 
Eon, many Christians will try to "stand" on their own two feet in those situations, when they know they have to hit their knees and give it to God. Humans in general avoid failure and taking responsiblity for it, at just about any cost. so some people do find it easier to blame God for their failed business or their cancer, instead of saying OK i failed, Now what do you want me to do God? really the big trails are when most Christians do succeed though, its the nity gritty of the everyday grind that will break most Christians down. We have been lead to beleave that if we accept Jesus, EVERYTHING will be ok all the bills will get paid, our marriages and relationships will be perfect, and our kids will listen.... what a load of crap!
When i accepted Jesus, i was 8, really probably had no idea what i was really doing, but i did it anyway. the way i see it right now, is i screw up, people around me screw up, we all do, but God is always going to be there to comfort and reassure me, and to love on me in His kooky God way.
 
my dad was having some trouble when my grandparents died since they gave EVERYTHING to my dad then my aunts and uncles sued him for taking everything. during that time my mom had cancer. my mom is fine now, the case was dropped and i havent heard from any aunts or uncles for a while, and the faith of my folks has grown tramendously (sp?) during that time. for me i was like 8 and didt really understand it all, but as i look back i know that God helped my parents.
 
So, what your saying, ATown is that God helps the winners? Do you define the ones God helped by the fact that they won, or do you think they won because God helped them? It might seem like hair-splitting, but it's just that sometimes the people who "win" aren't necessarily the people who to deserve to, especially. (Note: I'm not saying that in your case, I don't know the particulars, but if my parents left everything to my brother and nothing to me, I'd want to know why!)

Peon - you hired PI's, you held lots of meetings saying that you knew what was happening and that you were going to do something about it, and the conspiracy blew apart. Perhaps the smart people who were covering the foremans actions were the ones who took what they'd already made and split, whilst he stupidly stayed and got caught? Either way, they do tend to say that God helps those who help themselves, don't they?

My definition of a fanatic is someone who maintains a contrary belief in the face of overwhelming evidence. Once someone is so lost to reality that they can't see what's right in front of them, then their views can't be swayed. People have a lot of different names for that - ranging from faith to stupidity. I can't comment on which is which, without more experience on individual cases. I'm glad you're happy with the way that your life and faith have turned out - but you as an individual, believing what you believe, doesn't "blow my theory into shattered pieces". It just means you're not one of those people. And just remember - you have to be right every single time - I only have to be right once. Somewhere out there, like a titanic sinking iceberg, is the lever big enough to move even you.

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Corpfox, this is all to late n crap, you have gotten a lot of nice replies about how ppl understand how you had it, and how you bla bla bla.
I would not hesitated to beat the crap out of you if you said this to me.

Just because you feel that someone haven't been all nice to you dosen't give you an reason to be an EDIT: expletive deleted (warning 1 of 3 I guess...)
I mean I stopped going to church because of all the "nice" ppl going there,
I almost shot my self thx to all the "good guidence" I recived at church.
So life can (as prooven in other posts) be pretty crappy for christians as well, and even if God dosen't make your life a walk in the park on beads of pearls he helps us come through. If your jeaoulus try it out, but dont judge ppl who make it out just because of some retards that think they are so much better than you.

And what you at least should not do what so ever, is EDIT: expletive deleted (2 I guess) on those who manage to put up a brave face in this crappy\s****** world.
 
NOTE: This is the first and last warning I'll be giving you, Eztral. Act up again and you'll be banned from the forums. If Corpfox's attitude upsets you, either try to "talk him down," leave it alone, or contact the admins to discuss the issue. Most importantly, don't barge in with a bad attitude and expect to continue posting on these forums.
 
hmm... well maybe I was kind a dumb...

But you know, when I first read this it made me feel kind a pityfull, but as I keept on reading it really hmm... ticked me off, this whole scenario remindes me of something I see in my street all too often, and old man walks from the store, taking his time enjoying the sun as three or four kids come running at him, laughing pointing at his tattoo on his forearm, asking : where is your star? won't you shine for us? I don't know how he used to react but now he justs ignores them,then they start screaming : HEY JEW FEELING SPECIAL? and some stuff I can't say unless I wanna get banned...
I remember I once ran out and grabbed one of the kids, and his mother came out furios, yelling to "let her baby" go. I told her what happend and she only replied; well what do you expect they'r just kids. Protecting the stupid, Hatred is not the worst enemy, Ignorance is, that no one get provoked enough by what he is saying to either react or close the forum down, is for me scaryer than the though of getting banned. I'v been at this mans place, and he too says; They don't know what they are doing, and: it only makes it worse if you make a fuzz about it. That is scary, after 50 years ppl still haven't grasped what this is about...
And if you say: you'r the moron you don't do anything, maybe your right but it's not that much I can do. The bottom line is; I got the same feeling from reading all he said as I got from waking up, looking into a buring hakecross, with the words Jew lover, written under.

So I'm really sorry if I offended anyone
 
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Quote[/b] ]So, what your saying, ATown is that God helps the winners? Do you define the ones God helped by the fact that they won, or do you think they won because God helped them? It might seem like hair-splitting, but it's just that sometimes the people who "win" aren't necessarily the people who to deserve to, especially. (Note: I'm not saying that in your case, I don't know the particulars, but if my parents left everything to my brother and nothing to me, I'd want to know why!)
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eh?? im not seeing this concept of winning... though i guess since that my parents came out ok then that makes them winners?? and btw my dad took care of my grandparents for 4 years in their old age and my aunts and uncles barely ever came around and aparently when they did they always wanted something, furniture, money, etc. so i think it was decently fair for my dad to get everything since he left his job at EKU and moved back to pullman to help them.

eztral, maybe if u got to know corp.fox a little better y may relize that he is actually a pretty cool guy. i enjoy playing cs with him. he may be a little off at times in some areas but arent we all??
 
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