Separation of Church and State

"Frag for thy Lord!"

Miller and Oparin...ever hear of them? Yeah. They synthesized an environment, proto-Earth, using chemicals that would support life, rather than ones that they knew would not. And surprise, by mixing life-giving chemicals, they produced six enzymes necessary to life!

But...the problem with that is they engineered it, set it all up, rather than let random chance move the life-giving chemicals into a container and apparatus that random chance also made...it doesn't work.
Also they didn't use chemicals they knew were incompatible to human life...for instance, sodium and oxygen and hydrogen. BOOM! Why not use them? Well, because these dudes were smart. They knew they wouldn't mix, and definitely not for a life on earth. But what if random chance, and if random chance could so bizarrely coordinate the perfection of life-sustaining environs, then it could easily do the following, mixed sodium and oxygen and hydrogen together? Why not a big boom that screwed up their theory?
Well...because they didn't want that. They wanted something to work to their ideas. And they got that with their prototype.
And don't forget, NASA has proven since 1980 that no ammonia, methane or hydrogen ever amounted to anything. NASA has seen that is was composed of water, carbon dioxide and nitrogen...sadly, not the same thing we get for evolutionary patterns.




But, like you said, an army to the point.
"Take back the world from the world!" A change from "Take back the streets from the drugs!"
Maybe this could work...maybe not.
 
This takes to another very interested concept, I would assume most of us Tithe to our local church(and if you dont please dont give some excuse or reasoning on this thread), so 10% of our income goes to support "the army", yet the government has in a sence, taken away most of our guns. Churchs are not allowed to speak on Political issues, (they can, just not very much),

Churches cant openly support a public officer for any job, we have been more or less shut down from the political scene. Our constitution which clearly states that the Government should NEVER make ANY law reguarding a establishment of religion obviously does not apply any more, and they have changed it around to mean an Establishment of Religion shall NEVER be involved in the Government. But if you take God out of the government, who do you have left there?

Lets get some responces on this
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Quote[/b] (www_rlxc_com @ Aug. 22 2003,11:03)]Churches cant openly support a public officer for any job, we have been more or less shut down from the political scene. Our constitution which clearly states that the Government should NEVER make ANY law reguarding a establishment of religion obviously does not apply any more, and they have changed it around to mean an Establishment of Religion shall NEVER be involved in the Government. But if you take God out of the government, who do you have left there?
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You are left with the real risk that government will start to play God. The government will forces its morality and sense of right and wrong onto the population.

You are left with the real risk that governments will begin to persecute indiscriminatly and with no sense of obligation to a higher power. Or responsibility to good governance to the benefit of the people it is supposed to represent.

You are left with a government that will be in a position to do exactly what it wants to do with total disregard to the freedoms enjoyed by its populace.

You are left with no opposition or checks and balances for the government.

You are left with what people fear most about what a government can become.
 
Err...churches can't support politics or have a say in them? What's up with that? Since when? If we do that...we become Socialist! The KGB did this to European churches. If you don't say good things about the government, we revoke your preaching license. Say good things, and you get to stay. Don't talk bad of the government's dealings against God...we'll take you away to prison for a few years for conditioning, if that is the case.

America, my friends, I believe, will be the stronghold of the Antichrist, if not already. Think of these acts: TIA, Patriot and Victory Acts. Total Information Awareness...now it's called Terrorist Information Awareness. THese three acts are basically just a way the government can legally spy on all of America to root out the terrorists among us. That is freaked up. That is wrong, illegal, I should say. What right does a stupid judicial system have that allows them to completely know everything and all things about us?
What rights? There are none.
Know what else? CPS doesn't really need any excuse to take you away from your family...they just come up with some allegations, and poof! Gone.
The government and federal branches have too much power, power that they never should have obtained, but now it will never be taken from them. Why? Because power breeds hunger. And the taste of power is too good to never taste again.
A united government is dangerous, America is dangerous. American government is far more dangerous. A united world...I won't be around for that, any way, shape or form.

If the government strips the Church...what has the Church but faith? It has nothing. The faith, the evanglism of the Gospel...that's what we got, and that's all we need. That's all so many before us have needed to die for, and that's what I'll take to die for.
Don't cower, don't hide. We're the Body of Christ. We are the Church. We have the Sword and the Shield of God. What can possibly stop us?

If you have anything in your mind that can, tell me.
 
A status called the "503 Non Proffit Status" is what limites that, you know how church donations are "tax deductable" and that churches do not have to pay any tax`s to the federal government. In order to qualify a church has to agree not to endorse, or allow any official to use there equipment for politial means. There are ALOT of stipulations that they have to follow to keep that 503 status, and if they break them they lose there 503 status and have to regester as either a Buisness(which all there funds then become taxxed) or a Political organization(which has specail limitations on amounts that can be donated) either way the church will have some law put on it.

They can say there opinion about subjects but cannot in any way support any specific candadate
 
Oh that's not cool. I never heard of that.
Maybe that's why in no church I've been to have I heard any political support or anything...well. Last week my pastor talked about those losers who are whining about how Gibson's The Passion is anti-Jewish...because it portrays the Jews as murderers of Christ.

Bobby said, "I'd wish I could get right up to their face and say, 'YOU ARE! WE ALL ARE!'"
Heh. That would have been interesting. And how can the Jews deny it? They did kill him. Who cried out for him to be crucified when presented with the choice by Pilate? Who were the ones who plotted his death? Who were the ones that came to believe in him following his resurrection? The Jews. The Romans.

The Romans, the Jews, us...we all put him on the cross.

Huh. So you want an organization, or do you have one in the works, rlxc?
 
One downfall with myself is that I always have some plan in the works but I rarely follow threw with it, Here is a 5 year plan for myself,

Get a proffitalbe Gaming Center going
(gaming center is being ran, just needs to be proffitable now)
Buy a Barn and turn it into a Yough Training center, where young kids(18-25) can live and be trained how to go about getting into political, financial possitions to start fighting with "main stream" powers. Finacial people will be getting jobs and create cash to support the political candadates the Organization is raising,

Then use the finacial department to create more and more buisnesses, and start more centers to do the same thing

I have had this vision in my had for 2 years and openning up my gaming center was the first step(for finacial support) so we are close to step 2 of the process. Also start a Church of Hard Rock, the pastor of it will be from the "organization" to encourage the youth of the church to join the organization
 
Sounds like the government could target you for terrorism in the future.
Read the Patriot Act and the Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003 if you wanna know what that means. A jaywalker can be classified as a terrorist if the government so pleases.
And this smells of anti-Antichrist...Christians are the first to go.
I love it. Go for it dude. How is the gaming center coming along? Do you sell, rent, trade, barter? What?
 
Well, if the government's about to arrest us all for terrorism, lets just get out the uzis and trench coats and fight the system.

Sounds like my kinda world.


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There are ways around that also, if you took this concept to a small island nation in africa you could get enough christians in the political system to have laws passed to make it a "Christian nation", take the Island of Seychelle`s, in 1999 there were only 79,000 people in the country, 2 main Islands where most the population resides, there is a President, and 23 district poloticians that make up the entire government, you only need 13 people in those district possitions and you would control the entire government, and 1 guy in president. There are many small islands but they do not really matter, and if this barn idea trains people in how to become missionaries in forien countries, and you bring a 21st generation Gaming Center over to a country that average income is 7,300 a year, and offer it free to the people you will gain there trust.

anyways I got side tracked. I am not worried about "terrorist" or being labeled as a Terrorist, we have no guns or weapons
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, we fight with our minds, not with any weapons.
 
Sure. We know that. But you know how easy governmental media can twist situations, words and actions to mean whatever they want them to mean? For instance, anything Afghan immediately after 9/11 was met with distrust. Anything potentially Arab was despised in the 80s and 90s. And now, Iraqis. Screw Iraqis, hey? I mean, they all belong to that nogoodsunuva Saddam, so they're all the same.
Also, America is very awesome. Be glad you're American. If you don't like it, screw you, your family, and your little dog, too.
That's the way governmental media works. And if a small minority of Christians decide to take over an island nation off the coast of Africa via Christianity in the politics and donations, we will be labeled as radical zealots, terrorist potentials.
And if you don't believe that, I recommend you just take a swing around Infowars.com, or open up your eyes and take a gander at the great government of America and see if they won't twist us Christians who may actually be able to pull something like what rlxc suggests off!
But props. I'm game for that.
 
Africa is a nation that is mainly controlled by "religious" fanatics. The US only gets involved in situations that are a threat to us, a small island nation that does not send terrorist and does not do mass killings will not be of the US`s concern.

It is all just dreams however also, It 5 years my vision may be different.
 
At least we can't be pinned for doing what Islam did...deny all semblance of traditional worship, and put to the sword anyone who won't conform to you, and then establish yourself on a religion of pure bloodshed.
I wonder if any of Africa is dominated by Islam...I know it is up North and possibly in the East and West, but the central or southern portions?
Dunno.
A Christian nation...huh.
What will happen in 5 years you think?
 
Islam is an Army, it is taking over countries one at a time, and then moving to the country closest to its boarders. African nations fall at a rate of about 1 a year to Islam, 30 years ago there were very few islamic countries, in the 70`s alot of countries went threw a "Islamic revelution" Now Islam is very strong in Northern Africa, and christianity(mainly catholic) is in southern Africa, with the middle countries in War. It may seam like "civil war" but it is actually a very strategic battle for Islam to control the world. One country at a time falls to it, and we are told all the time not to be against "a religion" so we will never be able to fight our enemy.

Do a search for the CIA World Fact book, and look at the statistics over the last 10 years, you will see a swift change happening

Seychelles has 90% Roman catholic, with 8% angelic and 2% other, it is a perfect country to target to convert and start fighting back against Islam. One country with a christian purpose can support other countries that Islam is terrorizing.
 
Interesting idear: team up with the good guys and halt the progress of another "religion", a "religion" that has no relationship with Christianity...despite what all the sympathizers say.
Fools.
It sounds strategic, but where would you start? You just make a political campaign to bring the country to their knees (akin to Nineveh)? Or is it deeper?
 
Start with the Youth, create 'gaming centers" that convert the young people. In 10 years you could have the majority of the young people.

Free Gaming centers in a small country of 79,000 supported off shores by american buisness. You would get age groups between 10-25, over 10 years time those 10-25 year olds are now 20-35 year olds that are passionate about Christ, kinda like electronic Youth Centers. Also offer Radio station of Christian Rock(or whatever is popular over there), they currently only have 2 radio stations, and they are primarially News stations. So you would then have control of the media as well.

Those 20-35 year olds are all voting age and can run for office. During the first 10 year set up period a person could be building a political name, getting allies.

Also offer free schooling. The country is not a hard core poor country, its schools are decent, it is not a poverty stricken country. But a school that teaches computer science and programming and such for free, the parents would send there kids too. Think Highly of the school and organization that provides it, and the kids would be taught Computer`s, advanced Math, all the things that they would normally not be taught. plus standards, and would also be taught Religion and who God is, taught as fact, not the "idea of a God" but the fact that there is a God and have it shown to them how it is impossible for there to be any other God than Christ.

Then for seconary school have College that teaches Church Planting and Buisness start up, so your Christian Students will become the Buisness owners in the country.

All this could be funded from Off Shore Non-Proffit organizations. Stuff like the "Save the Children" You would throw Ads on Tv here in America to show how the "Seychelles Childrens Campain" is striving to bring children of a 3rd world country Modern Schooling, and give them a future.

I have spent some time thinking of how to do this, and I feel it would work, Get the childrens minds on your side, gain control of the media, and finacing from America & Europe.
 
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