RFID Chip

rizz said:
Whats the RFID chip?

EDIT: cant get to youtube at work..
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A low frequency wireless marker.

I would avoid RFID at all costs (primarily in debit cards) as they are not very bright when designing them. One professor did a study and found that you could get an RFID reader and stand near an ATM to read off their credit numbers and various other information...all unencrypted.
 
The concept is exactly the same as the chips that they put into pets, so in case they ever get lost. The purpose is that you would have your hand (or place your forehead) near a reader, and it scan your information.

They are designed to hold all kinds of information - social security, birth, lineage, medical history, financial, etc. They are the size of a small grain of rice and can be inserted with a standard needle used for bloodwork.

I'm not a big fan of the idea. I don't know whether it's the Mark of the Beast, or just something to prep society for the idea (making it easier when the time comes) ... but I'm content with just carrying my ID in my wallet, pulling out cash or credit when I need to buy something... and I have a card in my wallet that describes my medical history, medications, allergies, emergency contacts, etc. And as a paramedic, I know that other paramedics, police officers, hospital staff will search the wallet for info should I be incapacitated.

I have no reason or desire to carry a transmitter like that.
 
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The Bible is silent about RFID chips, which means it is not inherently a sin.

The Bible says a few things regarding our actions and whether they are sinful. The first is an obvious list of sins, such as the Ten Commandments. The second is that anything not done in faith is sinful. The third is a conscience, which tells us whether something is sinful or not. If you aren't doing something in faith or if your conscience told you to follow a different path, you are sinning.
 
tjguitarz said:
The Bible is silent about RFID chips, which means it is not inherently a sin.
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Not necessarily. You have to realize that paul had little basis for understanding what he saw. Just because they do not mention an RFID chip specifically does not mean that it could not be problematic.

http://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=mark+of+the+beast&x=0&y=0

Notice the first verse found. It mentions purchasing, which is one of the uses of RFID.

Now notice:
received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image
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Taken out of context it almost sounds like anyone who worships money or whatever the beast is. The mark could necessarily not be bad. However it only notes those who did neither act (receiving the mark or worshiping the beast) "came to life and reigned with Christ".
 
vibrokatana said:
Not necessarily. You have to realize that paul had little basis for understanding what he saw.
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Paul didn't write Revelations, John did.

And... honestly... I really don't think we as Christians will accidentally receive the mark of the beast.
People thought that credit cards were the mark of the beast as well because they could identify what you buy and trade.

Unless it is offered to us that we KNOWINGLY reject God through getting one of the RFD chips, i don't think it is the mark of the beast.
 
Glitch said:
And... honestly... I really don't think we as Christians will accidentally receive the mark of the beast.
People thought that credit cards were the mark of the beast as well because they could identify what you buy and trade.

Unless it is offered to us that we KNOWINGLY reject God through getting one of the RFD chips, i don't think it is the mark of the beast.
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I am old enough to remember the cridit card as the mark of the beast. I also note that one of the main guys who put forward that view is now selling all books (including the ones relating to credit cards) via credit.

As someone who loses their wallet every 5 seconds I love the idea of paying for things with my forehead. Last i checked my head was screwed on so i don't think I will be misplacing it any time soon.

Seriously though I would suggest that everyone be very careful of anyone who uses revelations to support anything. It is, in my opinion one of the most contextually bound books of the bible and requires a very though understanding of a time, genre, and circumstance that is not our own. My old man, who is a Doctor of New testment studies, says that he is willing to say that revelations says Jesus is comeing back for those who believe in him but is unsure what else he can 100% suggest revelations means.
 
ppar3566 beat me to it.

While I am not a fan of RFID chips being inserted into people and holding sensitive data, I am sure that some people thought drivers licenses were the mark of the beast as well... look at us now.
 
Macdonalds is the mark of the beast :D

But seriously, i agree with Glitch, i dont think a christian could be duped into getting a mark of satan. whichever way you interpet the revelation of john (and there are more than grains of sand..lol) if you are in communication with God then you will be alert to anything that may harm you like that.
 
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All I can say is I hope you guys remember to turn your car engines off a few seconds before you get Raptured while going down the highway at 90MPH...
(Maybe they could make that a feature of the RFID chips... probably be easy to program...

[

if self.position == "Heaven"
kill_engine(1);

]
 
Glitch said:
And... honestly... I really don't think we as Christians will accidentally receive the mark of the beast.

Unless it is offered to us that we KNOWINGLY reject God through getting one of the RFD chips, i don't think it is the mark of the beast.
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Revelation 13:14 said:
Because of the sings he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth."
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Revelation 13:16-18 said:
16He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.

18This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666.
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in verse 14, it clearly labels the second beast as a deceiver. Somehow I seriously doubt that a deceiver would say "Hey guys, just so you know... taking my mark condemns you to Hell. Want one?"

Verse 16 is clear as well - the location will be the right hand or forehead. Which is exactly where the RFID folks want to place their device. Coincidence? Perhaps.

But, the first four words in verse 18 are also important. "This calls for wisdom." In other words, pray on it before you take any kind of a mark on your hand or forehead. It is quite possible that RFID wasn't the mark that John saw.

Like every other issue, I'm sure there will be Christians supporting both sides of the argument. But, I know which Book I believe, and I'll gather my support for my decision from it - not man. Whether or not to get a RFID chip is your choice. I know what my choice is. Choose wisely, for this calls for wisdom :)
 
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Sorry to nitpick. It's just something that irritates, like an Indian burn or my little girls bickering over who gets the red cereal bowl.

Several folks persist in saying (or writing) Revelations (with an "s"). It's Revelation - singular. One long contiguous revelation.

Okay, I'm done. Thanks for your indulgence.
 
The only thing I would add here is to suggest it is important to distinguish between the word of God as it was intended and the way in which it is interpreted by us. I feel that sometimes we tend to see our interpretation of the bible or our churches traditional interpretations as the infallible word of God and shut out anyone with an opposing position. Revelation is a difficult book and need to be handeled with care. A few things to think about (btw I hope this is taken as information to chew on rather than a chance to chew me out).

We, 2000 odd years after revelations are at a big disadvantage. In many respects it is like we have come into a conversation without knowing any of the context which puts us a behind the 8 ball. An example might be that I join two of my friends having a conversation were one says to the other "I am leaving my wife". HereI have two choices 1. I can show respect for him by taking him at his word and believe he is really leaving his wife. However, this repect for his words may be inappraopiate. 2. I can try and find out the context which may be that he was quoting a line from the most recent episode of Grey's Anatomy.

See when we are reading the bible we often read it and take it at face value believing we are respecting the authority of the word of God. But this may be misplaced respect if we fail to take into account the context in which it was written and may lead us to believe things that are simply not intended by the authors of the original text. What I am saying is that revelation is a difficult book that requires a careful evaluation of the context, genre, and occasional nature (how it was written to and for what specific purpose) of the text. We should also not be to careful to equate our interpretation of the bible with the infallible word of God.

For those interested I have posted a link to a Christian history professor that oulines the historical context of revelations and the other end times sections of the bible. The link is http://www.fm1032.com.au/Mp3.asp?ChannelID=9&year=2006&page_no=5 and the series in entitled things to come. i hope you find it informative and challenging
 
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