Dark Virtue said:claim they are Christians.
I think your starting to catch on Claiming and being are very different.
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Dark Virtue said:claim they are Christians.
your going to focus on what you choose. Theres much more than a corrupt history.As I have previously stated, what YOU have PERSONALLY seen as a Christian, is a very very small slice of the history of Christianity.
There are instances of both hypocracy, and sincerity. If all Christians throughout history are hypocrites in your eyes, I really don't have more to say to you.The actions of Christians throughout history speak far more loudly than the words that come out of their mouths.
My point would fall along the lines of Matt 13:24-30I have lived as a Christian, so I understand exactly what you are talking about. I've seen the good Christians and I've seen the hypocrites. Do people believe Christ changed their lives? Sure. Do people murder in the name of Christ? Yes. What's your point?
heh, I know what my Bible says.... yes, Ive read all those verses and in response I could list off a million verses like Isaih53:6 or Romans 3:23. Everyone is guilty of sin. Show me a perfect man and I will show you a liar.I think you need to read your Bible again:
Yes God cursed mankind for disobedience, and Yes all men die. No, God did not sentance everyone to hell for 2 peoples sin, which is what I thought you were implying.Reread Gen 3 and you will see how/where YOUR God punished all of Man, not just Adam and Eve.
I always love a non biased opinionSorry MP, but you are QUITE wrong.
Didasko said:I think your starting to catch on Claiming and being are very different.
Dark Virtue said:You're mincing words and avoiding the question.
You CLAIM to a be a Christian too, don't you?
You BELIEVE, you are a Christian.
SO DID THE INQUISITORS, SO DID THE PURITANS.
hah, who are you?I love it when I prove you wrong and you try and turn the discussion to something else.
Didasko said:No minced words just a little jibe in jest.
You see the point I am making DV. I have answered that question so many times that I tire of it. You choose not to accept my answer and I choose not to accept yours. I will state it one more time just for clarification and then perhaps we can stop this circular arguement we are having.
The people who did the evil things you speak of were not following the teachings of Christ period.
You can argue til your blue in the face about the fact they thought they were following Christ's teachings, that does not change the fact that they were wrong.
Now you can say 'what makes you sure you are not wrong' or 'why didn't God make the Bible clearer so they knew for sure what His teachings are'.
And I will respond that, the Bible is clear on these points but evil men twist God's word to their own liking all the time.
Round and round we go, where we stop who knows...
At this point I thinks it's time to respectfully agree to disagree.
Master~Plan said:hah, who are you?
maybe something to the extent of:
"I love it when I prove you wrong such as _____" or "Your turning the discussion from___ to ____" would be more helpful?
your the one who seems to adress nothing of my last post and are bieng vague. Self proclaimed victory doesn't hold much wieght kid....
heh, no worries man, like you said, I can relateSorry MP, I'll apologize.
I was/am hyped up on cold medicine.
Sometimes I can be just as hardheaded, as well, you
Please give her a break! She was away from her family, no sleep for a week, she stated that she had never cried so much as she had that week, in her entire life, with that weight, I can guarantee she has some hypertension issues, and she had a sweet, gentle, loving man trying to convert her to his New Age Movement! (Did you notice his wife was not a bit surprised by the report of his actions?) In addition, she seemed to know a bit about God's command to stay away from soothsaying, the occult, ect. The unsaved family seemed to be sweet and kind enough, granted. But have you ever seen such a living environment? There was every occult teaching and practice around as far as the eye could see. LITERALLY every square inch of the house was covered in some way, even the front and backyards were decorated. Then, we had Buddha to boot!! Just for good measure?? This would be akin to portraying and following every religious practice known to man! Confusion at its best! The lady was obviously frightened. When she spoke with the other mother she spoke of several times of wanting to go home. Therefore, one can suppose, she has a camera crew coercing her, also! I don't mean to condone her actions, I don't appreciate the way she, or FOX portrayed Christianity as a whole, but try and have some empathy here. The love of money is the root of all evil, and that is what that show is about from every angle, for every person involved. For the record, that was not money she was tearing up, it was the letter the other mom had written to tell her what was to be done with the money.Dark Virtue said:What a frickin' hypocrite!
Marcylene said:In addition, she seemed to know a bit about God's command to stay away from soothsaying, the occult, ect. The unsaved family seemed to be sweet and kind enough, granted. But have you ever seen such a living environment?
from the short internet movie clip I saw, the lady is obviously unhealthy, I think the real monster is fox for exploiting a lady's unhealthy mental illnessOh wait...OFF CAMERA, she changed her mind and took the money. What a frickin' hypocrite!
I certainly experience all the shock, horror, and sick amusement reported by others in this thread. My final assessment was that that the fundy wife has some intense self-esteem problems. I suspect she has embraced radical xian spiritualism as a self-defense mechanism. Instead of being an unattractive, uneducated, morbidly obese housewife, she is transformed into a "God-warrior" locked in an epic battle against the forces of the "dark-side."
The attractiveness of this spiritualism lies deep in the schizophrenic nature of the the xian message. The xian (generally) simultaneously accepts two powerful, yet conflicting, doctrines:
1) (s)he is a wicked, testable, loathesome creature, worthless, guilty, and wretched on their own account.
2) (s)he is of inestimable value to the Creator of the universe
Judging from the external appearance and dramatic, self-centered behavior of Marg, I'm guessing (1) and (2) are right up her alley.