proper? or were you insulted?

[|CoR|Braveheart]

"I stood inline in 40 degree weather for 3 hours getting F*** out by losers"

A friend not on these forums said that was bad grammar and that i should not use the F word...and i told him that i wasn't using the F word...he said i was, so im asking you guys if you were offended by me saying this.

 

[Durruck]

Proper? Due to the things that the F-word means, and perceptions within our culture, it's use is hardly ever proper. (I'd say never, but I try to refrain from speaking in absolutes. I hate being proven wrong. *grin*)

If you're looking for Scriptural support... (all quoted texts are NIV)

Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths,

20He went on: "What comes out of a man is what makes him 'unclean.' 21For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, 22greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. 23All these evils come from inside and make a man 'unclean.' "

if you were offended by me saying this.

I try to keep an even temper (I know I fail at times) but I am rarely offended.

7When they kept on questioning him, he (Jesus) straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her."

While I may encourage you to refrain from using such language, based on Ephisians and Mark.... by John's words, I'll not stone you, either. The tongue is difficult to tame. But written word - especially in editable media such as typing - is very easy to read, re-read, and correct before submitting. I'd suggest that if there is anything even remotely offensive to your messages, read them through before you hit submit. And keep in mind:

Therefore, if what I eat causes my brother to fall into sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause him to fall.

Same thing applies here. If it causes trouble, don't do it. (Point of reference, Paul was writing about meat sacrificed to idols. He's not advocating a vegan diet)

 

[tjguitarz]

"I stood inline in 40 degree weather for 3 hours getting F*** out by losers"

A friend not on these forums said that was bad grammar and that i should not use the F word...and i told him that i wasn't using the F word...he said i was, so im asking you guys if you were offended by me saying this.

Durruck posted a better reply than I did, so I chopped it out because we had the same ideas, but his was much prettier.

But Braveheart, I will say that I am offended by your horrible grammar and speeleng... as I usually am... ... don't feel bad. Nearly everyone else has bad grammar and speeleng too, and I probably do too at times... ... I can't wait for Jesus to come back.

 

[moxie]

I'm rarely offended by the use of bad language, however I think that considering that these are Christian forums, and considering that even if you put "***" in the word we still knew what it meant, it wasn't really appropriate. If something slipped while I was talking to you in real life, I probably wouldn't think twice about it, but as Durruck said, when writing messages you have the opportunity to re-read your message before you hit "Submit".

I won't throw stones either, however it's not exactly the best way to present yourself. Better to try to tame it now, rather than years down the road. It's much, much harder then.

 

[Atown]

its not proper in this place buddy and honestly this is more about living out our christianity in a manner that people can look at us and respect our beliefs and actions.

 

[Kagnus]

Durruck's reply is right on the money. I will just add one more scripture quote that I think says it all.

Mark 7:15
There is nothing that enters a man from outside which can defile him; but the things which come out of him, those are the things that defile a man.

Essentially, this passage says "you are what you speak".

 

[|CoR|Braveheart]

You guys do know that i wasn't cussing right? i was telling you that I WAS F OUT BY SOMEONE ELSE right? i am not pretending to use the F word. i just asked you guys to say if you were offended by this or not...all you needed to do was so you are offended and i would have edited my post, but no you have give me another infraction. the two infractions i have been given on these forums was for these i did not do, Kidan gave me one because i obeyed him and stopped spamming...he said i should have not replied to it. and now tek gives me one for asking a question, Durruck banned me just because he didn't like me and he did it without permmision (i have forgiven him for it and we're cool though) this is sick and very strange, i don't understand why you guys have done this...this community has some really great people in it and i really liked hanging around, i supported you guys, i told people about the site, i made more friends, i volunteered 4 times to help with stuff and you threw it all in my face. im sorry that i have to go.

 

[|CoR|Braveheart]

Durruck's reply is right on the money. I will just add one more scripture quote that I think says it all.



Essentially, this passage says "you are what you speak".

I know what it means and i did not speak that thus that is not what i am. if i used that word or pretended to use that word then you should beat me with a wet noodle and ban me for life. but i did not do that...punishing me for saying that is like banning me for asking about Adultery and you saying i can't talk about sex, it doesn't work.

 

[Kagnus]

Then tell us what a letter followed by 3 asterisks means to you.

I will tell you that the majority of the typing world looks at that as censored profanity.

I am not involved in policy in the CGA, but our Lord has spoken on this very subject. You only hurt yourself when you speak/type that way, implied or not.

I myself am not offended by such words. In my youth I used profanity to a shocking extent. But if you feel you must leave the site because the people here try to live true to the Lord's word, we can only pray that one day the weight of the Lord's word will reach your heart, as it did mine. I quoted the scripture I did because it means a lot to me, it reminds me of where I was compared to where I am now.

 

[Tek7]

i just asked you guys to say if you were offended by this or not...all you needed to do was so you are offended and i would have edited my post, but no you have give me another infraction.

I gave you the infraction for your original post, not for this thread.

And when I see any user start a word with the letter F and follow it with three asterisks, what else do you expect me--as a moderator of a set of forums for Christian gamers--to do?

and now tek gives me one for asking a question,

No, I gave you an infraction for using inappropriate language and circumventing the swear filter in a post.

but i did not do that...punishing me for saying that is like banning me for asking about Adultery and you saying i can't talk about sex, it doesn't work.

No, it's not the same. A more accurate analogy would be a moderator giving a user an infraction for a user who posted sexually explicit material in a thread on sexuality.

Saying, "I was just quoting someone" is not an acceptable excuse for using profanity on a public forum. There are a hundred ways to explain that someone used profanity when addressing you without quoting the words used.

On a side note: A forum user is banned after receiving five infractions in a limited period of time.

 

[The Mighty Gerbil]

I'm not going to go into why I believe some words are inappropriate it would take to long and I would probably be alone in my beliefs and reasons why some words are inappropriate. What I want to know is why do some people get so offended when told not to use them? Just why is it so important to you that you can use a certain word? It's not like we are being told we cannot testify for Christ. I don't know about you but I am here because there is restraint and morality on these forums. My father moderated a IRC chat room for Christians for a while but it fell apart because no one but him would enforce the rules. No two people on this planet are going to agree perfectly in everything yet there has to be a standard of conformity in order for a place like this to exist. If you want the freedom to say or do anything there are many forums like that but you also have to put up with a lot things that will offend, and ultimately change you (I am not so much as offended by cussing as I don't want it to change the way I think, but, it already has!). I may not like some rules here you may not like others but they are the rules. To me your original post was a bit misleading as to who was cussing. It sounded like you were making a comment on those who where harassing you, not that they were actively cussing at you, so it came off as harsh.

Braveheart I'm going to be honest with you. I like everyone here including you and would be sad to see anyone go. However a couple days after you first came I almost PM'ed you before you got a moderator warning to pre-warn you. It wasn't so much anything specific you did but you could see in the flurry and haste of your posts that you hadn't thought though everything you said before you posted it. Your questions often provoke useful/interesting debate. I value and like them for their increasing activity effect on CGA. Just please take a little more time to phrase and think them though and I am sure you will not get any more warnings

 

[Taledin]

Indeed, Tek7, however I am not offended by such crude language. As a number of the above who have posted to this thread have stated, the use of profanity is unacceptable in any public forum. As a precaution I would not repeat these actions. =P I like talking to you.

 

[Taledin]

I am blind...
I agree with The Mighty Gerbil as well. As I began to read the beginning of this thread I was a bit confused as to who offended who.

"I'm not going to go into why I believe some words are inappropriate it would take to long"

Yes, the explanation would cover the pages of a dictionary, though, I do not believe you would stand alone in your beliefs. /tell The Mighty Gerbil: I do not like profanity but I live with it because ultimately, there is no escape.

I, too enjoy having you on these forums, though, I have only been a part of them for a little over a week and a half. The people here are, indeed, good and honest and I would love for CGA to remain this way.

 

[Corpfox]

"I stood inline in 40 degree weather for 3 hours getting kicked out by losers"

You can easily replace the insult words to confusing or not insulting.

You could of also said:

"...getting furious out by losers"

I'm only annoyed that a Christian Forum has a few members that openly swear.

 

[Taledin]

As Gerbil has stated above, "...rules are rules." I do not believe he will make this mistake a second time. I also say that he has received enough controversy on this matter.

 

[|CoR|Braveheart]

Another note: i don't cuss, i've never cussed in real life and i've never cussed on a forum, google |CoR| Braveheart and find all of my posts on the internet. and once again: you could have just told me you were offended and i would have changed it. and tek, i was not bypassing the filter....i didn't know there was one.

 

[Goblit]

Honestly, I thought putting in the asterix instead of typing it out in full was in itself censoring it while still expressing what was said accurately.....although the sentence doesn't make sense to me anyways....

 

[|CoR|Braveheart]

Ok, then please explain how you would like me to tell you what happened without lying?

 

[blackgravity]

You could just say someone swore at you, you thought it was rude, and leave it at that without then repeating what you said asking who(m?) you've offended.

 

[Elihu]

Insulted no, offended yes. Offended that you would think so little of the community, your brothers and sisters in Christ, to disobey the rules and post another thread to try to prove your right against the leaders of the community.

My opinion would be that if you can't tell the story without omitting the bad words to fit the rules of the community, then perhaps its not worth telling in the first place. If you feel violated because you don't have the right to speak your mind freely, well, frankly take your posts to another forum. The rules are set by leaders who are put in place to help create a family friendly, christian oriented gaming community and in my eyes they helped to maintain that by warning you of your offense. You should be thanking them for being so watchful and helping to keep this community a good example.

All that said I also believe in forgiveness. And in being offended I would say that I forgive you of your actions and hope that you can learn from this.