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I hope these rules cover everything. If I missed anything let me know. But I am getting tired of the nonsense. If you think we all need a cool off period let me know, I can shut the forums down for a bit. I hope we can all start on a fresh slate.
 
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Quote[/b] (CCGR @ Oct. 15 2003,7:06)]I hope these rules cover everything.  If I missed anything let me know.  But I am getting tired of the nonsense.  If you think we all need a cool off period let me know, I can shut the forums down for a bit.  I hope we can all start on a fresh slate.
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It is as though you are ignoring a major and very important discrepancy, which has often been acknowledged by those of very sincere conscience and deep understanding of True Religion -- that Protestants are not "Christians". Christ said that many will call his name, and that He will say he knew them not. I will not go over the complete argument at this time, here, but it seems hyporcritical for those people who support all of their doctrines from Paul, to be calling themselves Christians. It is a legitimate view for a Catholic to believe in every fiber of his body that the Heretics of the Protestant Rebellion are NOT Christian, that they ARE disciples of Satan, consciously or not, and that True Christians must do everything to deny their claim in order to minimize the further damage of more souls being seduced thereby to Hell. If souls cannot be convinced, they can at least be warned. Now, certainly all this should be done within the bounds of civility. But, please, do not pretend we even close to being on the same side. Christ and Paul; God and Satan; You and me. The difference is the same as between Heaven and Hell.
 
Assuming a protestent is anyone who is non catholic. I assure you that we are christians. It is you catholics if anyone that are not true christians. Making a idol out of Mary and praying to people other then God. You people commit idoltry every day. Timothy 2:5 "For there is one God and mediator between God and men, the man Yeshua Messiah." Catholic
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Matthew 1
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20 But while he thought on these things, behold the Angel of the Lord appeared to him in his sleep, saying:

Joseph, son of David, fear not to take
unto thee Mary thy wife , for that which is conceived in her, is of the Holy Ghost.

21 And she shall bring forth a son: and thou shalt call his name Jesus. For he shall save his people from their sins.

22 Now all this was done that it might be fulfilled which the Lord spoke by the prophet, saying:

23 Behold a virgin shall be with child, and bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

24 And Joseph rising up from sleep, did as the angel of the Lord had commanded him, took unto him his wife.
25 And he knew her not TILL she brought forth her first born son: and he called his name Jesus.

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54 And coming into His own country, He taught them in their synagogues, so that they wondered and said: How came this man by this wisdom and miracles?

55 Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not His mother called Mary, and His brethren James, and Joseph, and Simon, and Jude:

56 And His sisters, are they not all with us? Whence therefore hath He all these things?

57 And they were scandalized in His regard. But Jesus said to them: A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.
 
Dear Popdrinker,

   Your objections to Catholics are merely technical.   Why would God care if we Pray to Mary and the Saints? As long as we are Righteous.  Christ, in the Gospels which you ignore because you prefer your Antichrist Paul, gave us the criteria for passing through His Judgment.  It was entirely based on Righteousness and Charity.  Nowhere did he forbid us to talk to His Mother.  Infact Christ, on the Cross, as His last Act in Sacrifice, explicitly gave us to His Mother.  

   So where a Protestant can only point to technicalities to indict a Catholic, the Catholic can damn the Protestants for their Rejection of the Law, Rejection of Righteousness, and Rejection of the Unity which Christ exhorted us to.  And for following a False God -- your Paul.

   You may say that Catholics also believe in Paul.  No --Paul is there for us all as a Test of our very Souls.  We cannot serve two masters.  When we read the New Testament, it is as though it comes with its own Final Exam.  We choose Christ and Life, or Paul and Death.   The only reason I can give you the answer to the Test is because I am very confident that you will not believe me.  Only on the verge of Hell will you realize I was right and you were... about to be eternal toast.
 
The Bible is the inspired word of God all of it execpt the apocrypha. No Yeshua made it very clear that it is not all righteousness. Mark 16:16 John 3:16 John 3:36 all speak that you must believe. Have you sinned all men have. You cannot get to heaven on works alone for only the blood of Yeshua can cleanse you. I dont care if you pray to Mary Budha or the snow in the winter. But God does however which is why I am trying to tell you the truth. Nowhere in the Bible does it condone or speak of talking or praying to the dead. I could give you many evidences that you are wrong in what you believe but because you dont believe in the whole Bible I cannot.
 
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Quote[/b] (mrpopdrinker @ Oct. 16 2003,5:06)]The Bible is the inspired word of God all of it execpt the apocrypha. No Yeshua made it very clear that it is not all righteousness. Mark 16:16 John 3:16 John 3:36 all speak that you must believe. Have you sinned all men have. You cannot get to heaven on works alone for only the blood of Yeshua can cleanse you. I dont care if you pray to Mary Budha or the snow in the winter. But God does however which is why I am trying to tell you the truth. Nowhere in the Bible does it condone or speak of talking or praying to the dead. I could give you many evidences that you are wrong in what you believe but because you dont believe in the whole Bible I cannot.
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More magical thinking.

But magic won't save you.

Your funny name for Christ won't save you.

Making an Idol out of a book won't save you.

Righteousness or humble penance will save you -- and save others if you do enough of it.
 
The blood of Yeshua will save me! Rpentence and belief in him will save me! You know this is true or do you deny the scripture that I have provided? No my thinking is not that of a illusion it is that of the word of God. Oh hey are you one of those catholics that believes masochism gets you into heaven? Oh and it is not a funny name. His name was Yeshua which was transliterated into the greek Iseous or somthing like that which was transliterated into english as Jesus
 
We follow Chirst primarily and follow the teachings of the Bible and yes that includes Paul...but Christ is above all.
 
Again I ask, out of curiosity, was it not Paul who claimed all Scriptures to be inspired by God? If so, this gives incredible power to Leo's argument. Furthermore, if it is said nowhere else in the Bible (which it may be - please enlighten me), then the position of the divine authorship of the Bible cannot be defended without the use of circular logic, I predict.
 
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
 
Now, was Timothy written *by* or *to* Timothy (by Paul)?

And either way, my point holds. If it is only claimed once in the entire Bible, and not directly by God/Jesus, one can only use Circular Logic to prove that the Bible is the inspired Word of God.

Sorry to turn this thread into a debate!
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Oh, really? Wasn't aware - got a verse for me please?

That does raise the question, though, of whether he was referring simply to the Old Testament, or was prophetically referring to the New Testament. The latter would be a very tough position to defend, imo.
 
HOLY COW!!!

Did you guys even look at the new rules?

CCGR:
I hope these rules cover everything. If I missed anything let me know. But I am getting tired of the nonsense. If you think we all need a cool off period let me know, I can shut the forums down for a bit. I hope we can all start on a fresh slate.


Leo Volont:
It is as though you are ignoring a major and very important discrepancy, which has often been acknowledged by those of very sincere conscience and deep understanding of True Religion -- that Protestants are not "Christians". Christ said that many will call his name, and that He will say he knew them not. I will not go over the complete argument at this time, here, but it seems hyporcritical for those people who support all of their doctrines from Paul, to be calling themselves Christians. It is a legitimate view for a Catholic to believe in every fiber of his body that the Heretics of the Protestant Rebellion are NOT Christian, that they ARE disciples of Satan, consciously or not, and that True Christians must do everything to deny their claim in order to minimize the further damage of more souls being seduced thereby to Hell. If souls cannot be convinced, they can at least be warned. Now, certainly all this should be done within the bounds of civility. But, please, do not pretend we even close to being on the same side. Christ and Paul; God and Satan; You and me. The difference is the same as between Heaven and Hell.


uh......right......that didn't have ANYTHING to do with the rules!!!
Do i hear a: "Sounds good!" or "I'll try respect the rules." NO!!!

Did you even read them?
 
He read the rules. Perhaps you did not read his post.

Either way, those words were not insults. Sure, they were a bit controversial perhaps, but that's basically what this board is about - debate. His post offended you no more than your preaching offends me. Please try to understand that. I'd also like to note that by saying something such as

[b said:
Quote[/b] ]uh......right......that didn't have ANYTHING to do with the rules!!!
Do i hear a: "Sounds good!" or "I'll try respect the rules." NO!!!

Did you even read them?
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is only fodder for argument and insults. Should Leo come back at you, though it may be against the rules, he will only be responding to your flame baiting.

BTW, I love your mullet quote
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Leo's comment did not offend me. While I don't agree with him, his opinions are as valid as anyone else's.

I'm sorry if I came across as preaching. I will try better in the future to consider my own words before posting.

hehe, mullets...it comes from a song by KJ-52.

On the subject of rules: I am helping out CCGR with moderating this forum. If I think that you have knowingly stepped out of line, I will PM you, letting you know how many strikes you have left.
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