ewoksrule
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In other news, Chuck Norris comes back from trip to Pakistan
Osama found dead!
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Odale
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You are too funny.
Angryson
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Narius
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Glad we are on the same page! Read Dante's Inferno, it is a good read. Definitely has a cool theory of how hell will be like. It is a fictional work and is very entertaining.
I'm scared to read that. I couldn't even play the first ten minutes of the game.
Flamethrøwer
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I'm sure it's the game designer's job to make it as scary as possible. The book was a very good read, if you're able to make it through the old style it's written in. It sure paints a graphic picture though.
Even with the scant bit of info I know about both I can reasonably say the book and the game are miles if not universes apart XD.
Thank you all for sharing your thoughts on this.
Last night I was reminded of the differences between my spiritual man and my earthly man. As an earthly man I found happiness, not in the death of a man, but in how his death brought some closure to an event that no doubt effected all of our lives. Many of us did not lose loved ones that day, but we lost our sense of security. We may not have been personally attacked, but we had to give up some of our privacy to defend ourselves. We may not have had personal issues with extreme members of Islam, but we were now at war with them.
My earthly man is a member of an earthly nation that uses earthly reasoning and earthly tactics. We send our loved ones to be earthly warriors and they defend us honorably. Yes, my earthly man was happy that this person was gone. I was happy that our earthly justice had been delivered.
But has others have pointed out my spiritual man is commanded to love this man, just as God loves him. My spiritual man is commanded to not judge him for that is God's role. My spiritual man knows that Bin Laden's life story was much more then a single tragic terrifying event that took so many lives. My spiritual man knows that I will never know what was in his heart, but God does.
I have to admit my spiritual man struggles with this and I find the dichotomy difficult to deal with. Thank God that he understands me, that he knows my fallibilities, and that he loves me enough to be patient with me.
Last night I was reminded of the differences between my spiritual man and my earthly man. As an earthly man I found happiness, not in the death of a man, but in how his death brought some closure to an event that no doubt effected all of our lives. Many of us did not lose loved ones that day, but we lost our sense of security. We may not have been personally attacked, but we had to give up some of our privacy to defend ourselves. We may not have had personal issues with extreme members of Islam, but we were now at war with them.
My earthly man is a member of an earthly nation that uses earthly reasoning and earthly tactics. We send our loved ones to be earthly warriors and they defend us honorably. Yes, my earthly man was happy that this person was gone. I was happy that our earthly justice had been delivered.
But has others have pointed out my spiritual man is commanded to love this man, just as God loves him. My spiritual man is commanded to not judge him for that is God's role. My spiritual man knows that Bin Laden's life story was much more then a single tragic terrifying event that took so many lives. My spiritual man knows that I will never know what was in his heart, but God does.
I have to admit my spiritual man struggles with this and I find the dichotomy difficult to deal with. Thank God that he understands me, that he knows my fallibilities, and that he loves me enough to be patient with me.
Flamethrøwer
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I think just about every Christian feels this way. Very well put.
Flamethrøwer
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This is more along the lines of what I was getting at. Your references do present compelling evidence of different degrees of punishment, although I'm not sure how it will be implemented, since separation from God seems to be the ultimate punishment.
Mordos
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I don't know if I 100% agree with all sin is equal... there are places in the Bible that talk about the abomination, and places set aside for these sinners. It's all complex and way to much to go into great detail, nor do I think we need to spend our time worrying about all the places Hell has or weather someone is worse off that others... As Flame said, the separation is bad enough. Think of this... compare this life, which we have some separation from God with out Christ, but magnify that time 10n10 and that sucks pretty bad...
jokitaylor
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Hebrews 9:27 talks about the fact that man is appointed to die, and after this face the judgment.
Judgment implies a weighing in of the reality of an individual's condition. God's justice is perfect and so no one will be punished more or less than they ought to be.
We cannot act as if a certain sin tips the scales and then we are condemned. The Bible makes it clear - all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. We are born sinners which means unless we obey the Gospel we will be condemned for all eternity.
The sin that puts us in the lake of fire is the sin of disobeying the Gospel. The rejection of Jesus Christ and the lack of recognition of being a sinner is our damnation. Romans 1 assures us that all people are without excuse.
So what happens to us in judgment? This is the determination of our level of punishment or reward (only if we have believed in Jesus Christ and repented of our sin).
This I think is why people get tripped up. The smallest sin in our eyes is still sin to God - which means we have offended a holy God. Yet God will treat each person justly but unless we repent our smallest sin condemns. So God weighs our level of punishment and reward, but ultimately our rejection of the Gospel is what condemns us.
Second to all of that no one died before their time. As I mentioned in Hebrews 9:27 - God says it is appointed unto man to die. If we say that anyone died before their time, then God is no longer sovereign. To us their life is cut short, to God it is all things working out in His sovereign ways. Both Job and Isaiah remind us that we don't understand all that God does and we may never know this side of eternity, but nothing catches Him by surprise.
Judgment implies a weighing in of the reality of an individual's condition. God's justice is perfect and so no one will be punished more or less than they ought to be.
We cannot act as if a certain sin tips the scales and then we are condemned. The Bible makes it clear - all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. We are born sinners which means unless we obey the Gospel we will be condemned for all eternity.
The sin that puts us in the lake of fire is the sin of disobeying the Gospel. The rejection of Jesus Christ and the lack of recognition of being a sinner is our damnation. Romans 1 assures us that all people are without excuse.
So what happens to us in judgment? This is the determination of our level of punishment or reward (only if we have believed in Jesus Christ and repented of our sin).
This I think is why people get tripped up. The smallest sin in our eyes is still sin to God - which means we have offended a holy God. Yet God will treat each person justly but unless we repent our smallest sin condemns. So God weighs our level of punishment and reward, but ultimately our rejection of the Gospel is what condemns us.
Second to all of that no one died before their time. As I mentioned in Hebrews 9:27 - God says it is appointed unto man to die. If we say that anyone died before their time, then God is no longer sovereign. To us their life is cut short, to God it is all things working out in His sovereign ways. Both Job and Isaiah remind us that we don't understand all that God does and we may never know this side of eternity, but nothing catches Him by surprise.
jokitaylor
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As far as Osama being killed. Perhaps the words of Jesus to Peter in the Garden of Gethsemane are best to summarize:
Matthew 26:52 "Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword."
It is a sober reminder that we who have the Gospel ought not to rejoice in the death of anyone who goes into a Christless eternity, taking our confidence that God knows best.
Yet we can rejoice that the Lord has exercised His perfect justice, and spared others from further harm from this terrorist.
If anything this emphasizes and urgency to preach the Gospel to a lost and dying world, where men hate one another, and follow the doctrines of demons.
Matthew 26:52 "Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword."
It is a sober reminder that we who have the Gospel ought not to rejoice in the death of anyone who goes into a Christless eternity, taking our confidence that God knows best.
Yet we can rejoice that the Lord has exercised His perfect justice, and spared others from further harm from this terrorist.
If anything this emphasizes and urgency to preach the Gospel to a lost and dying world, where men hate one another, and follow the doctrines of demons.
Mordos
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Well said Pneuma, well said indeed!