Open Apology to Tek

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Icthus

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It has come to my attention that some of my post have come across as attacks on Tek.

I want to take complete responsiblility for this issue. It was never my intention to attack Tek or his authority.

It has been my desire to understand what has occured over the last few weeks and to understand how ToJ and Redeemed will work.

If anyone believes I do not support Tek then you are wrong. I support him and want only to make Redeemed everything that God wants it to be. It is my belief that this is what Tek wants as well. If i have come across differently, i am at fault and ask for forgiveness.

In Humility,

Matt
 
Asking people to be accountable for decisions they have made is not questioning their authority imo. I've seen nothing you need to apologize for.
 
Matt,

I appreciate the fact that you did stand up and ask the tough questions. Coming from you they seemed to be fair to both sides of an issue. Please don't regret the questions man.

Trey
 
Matt does not regret the questions, and yes, they did need to be asked. The ones asked in the staff forums even more so.

(correct me if I am wrong, matt) He is responding here to the people that are saying that he is "attacking Tek" I think the issue is that some people do not know Icthus well enough to know that he is asking important logistical questions in a straight forward way. I can see how if you read it with the wrong outlook, it can very much seem like attacks. But if you read it from an administration point of view, it is just simple and direct.

Just the basic forum problem of not seeing the tone of voice, expressions behind the writing. Nonetheless, some people were offended and for that an apology is a good choice.
 
As a leader I have to take ownership for my words whether i meant them to or not, they caused division.

And to respond to Mirakle's point, most of my harsh post came in officer forums. I was much more pointed and confrontational in private.

It was brought to my attention that I had harmed a relationship not just possibly with Tek but with others. I am taking ownership for my part in that.
 
And to respond to Mirakle's point, most of my harsh post came in officer forums. I was much more pointed and confrontational in private.

It was brought to my attention that I had harmed a relationship not just possibly with Tek but with others. I am taking ownership for my part in that.

So why apologize in public? I don't understand what you hope to accomplish by doing so.
 
So why apologize in public? I don't understand what you hope to accomplish by doing so.

Have you thought maybe I had not agenda? I am not trying to accomplish anything.

I am obeying the Bible. If I offend my brother or sister I am suppose to confess and apologize.
 
Have you thought maybe I had not agenda? I am not trying to accomplish anything.

I am obeying the Bible. If I offend my brother or sister I am suppose to confess and apologize.


Understood...just seems odd behaviour that I haven't seen around here before. Could you perhaps point to where I could find that in the bible?
 
Colossians 3 is probably my favorite chapter in the Bible. this does not speak exactly to what you asked, but it covers it. This is Paul describing how we should "dress" our selves as Christians.
12 Put on then, as God's chosen ones, holy and beloved,- compassion, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience, 13 bearing with one another and, if one has a complaint against another, forgiving each other; as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive. 14 And above all these put on love, which binds everything together in perfect harmony.
 
I was thinking more along the lines of Philippians 2-

If you have any encouragement from being united with Crhist, if any comfort from his love, if any fellowship with the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion, then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and purpose. Do nothing out of selfish ambiition or vain conciet, but in humility consider others better than yourselves. Each of you should look not only to oyur own interests, but also the interests of others.

Your attitiude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus...

Or Matthew 5:23 and 24-

If you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there in front of the altar. First, go and be reconciled to your brothe; then come and offer your gift.

I am not as talented as Mirakle to do quote boxes....
 
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It has come to my attention that some of my post have come across as attacks on Tek.

I want to take complete responsiblility for this issue. It was never my intention to attack Tek or his authority.

It has been my desire to understand what has occured over the last few weeks and to understand how ToJ and Redeemed will work.

If anyone believes I do not support Tek then you are wrong. I support him and want only to make Redeemed everything that God wants it to be. It is my belief that this is what Tek wants as well. If i have come across differently, i am at fault and ask for forgiveness.

In Humility,

Matt
Matt,

Thank you for your words. Your kindness goes a long way to easing my recent frustration and discouragement. I stand relieved, knowing that, though you may disagree with me and my decisions, that you respect me. You should know that, even through our disagreements, I respect you as well. Your words have confirmed, in my mind, that you desire the Lord's will above all else.

I humbly accept your apology, and would like to offer one of my own: I apologize for not providing clearer policies and procedures for Redeemed. The Tribe of Judah charter was written several years ago; while the core values will remain the same, it's clear that the time has come to build onto that foundation and "flesh out" Tribe of Judah's foundational document.

Since Matt has shared his heart, I feel it only fair to share my own.

Icthus and others have presented valid points regarding challenges which Redeemed faces. During Tribe of Judah's history, several members have recognized room for change and improvement. Some have communicated their concerns with love, patience, and long-suffering. Others have spoken in anger and hostility, demanded immediate change, and left angrily when they did not see it.

To be frank, it is a rare and valuable gift when a person recognizes a problem and is willing to patiently work through it with other people. It is easy to recognize a problem and talk about it; it is quite another thing to say, "This problem is an opportunity, and I am going to commit my energy and time to resolve it."

Leadership, like love, is, in part, suffering for other people. Icthus, along with others, has endured the recent conflicts and strived to make a positive impact. Though there may be disagreement, there is respect and a shared ultimate goal: To glorify God and perform His will.
 
Matt,

Others have spoken in anger and hostility, demanded immediate change, and left angrily when they did not see it.

Sigh, even in an apology...some people will find a way to undermine the peace between the two guilds by insinuating, even unintentionally, that they left angry and were demanding change. Generalizations can leave anyone open to seeing themselves as the target.
 
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Not everybody who left Redeemed to Sanctification left in anger or demanding change. And those who did, never stopped communicating with officers in Redeemed hoping to affect positive change from outside of Redeemed even though we knew there was no hope we would ever be able to come back to Redeemed. Even I have spent numorous hours with Cgamer, Mirakle, Icthus and Samuraij providing them with feedback, positive, negative, constructive and otherwise. Please don't assume that I, and many others, have given up hope for Redeemed.
 
Goblit and GP. You are doing the very thing you accuse tek of doing. This thread is one second from being locked. If you want, I can catalog a list of posts where people have been demanding a lot of things of redeemed and have left in anger (because I have read all of them). They are there. Quit manipulating words. Tek was making a statement of fact. You are still so angry that you saw it as an attack. If you are truly serious about making things right, which I seriously question everytime you jab like this, then you will take the apology even if it is not everything you wanted and continue to work towards mending bridges and trying to get the remaining issues resolved.
 
Guys. Read the entire context of the orignal:

During Tribe of Judah's history, several members have recognized room for change and improvement. Some have communicated their concerns with love, patience, and long-suffering. Others have spoken in anger and hostility, demanded immediate change, and left angrily when they did not see it.

The context is Tribe of Judah's history and not specifically this issue. How many are familiar with the other issues that happened in chapters like the Counter-Strike where members left because they were angry and did not want to work out their differences. That is the context.

Everyone take a breath. Read carefully before posting.
 
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