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Um guys Hitler said he was Christian too. People will say anything to get what they want it but it's meaningless without works to back it up a.k.a. faith without works is dead James 2:14-26. It's common sense rate anything a candidate says they are or says they will do behind, far behind, what they've actually done.


It's off topic but while I am here let me simplify and generalize the different party perspectives for you...
I want.
But you can't have it.
BUT I WANT IT!
If we keep giving it to you we must eventually pay a price. It is not a question of "if" but "when".
Well I am going to take it anyway.

...and no I am not just talking about dollars. In Christian terms...

I want to sin.
But there are consequences to sin.
But I want to sin.
But there are consequences that will hurt and ultimately destroy us.
Well I am going to sin anyway because I want to.

Debt is debt whether monetary or the debt of sin someone has to pay it. Yes Christ paid our eternal debt but we are fools to think we can skip out on the Earthly debt/consequences of sin. I'd like to see a candidate promise tough, hard work times ahead instead of rainbows and kittens like they always do (well I've stopped listening by now but I assume). That's what you do when you pay off a debt you work hard and do without until you do, duh.

The point is it's going to take more than a President to save our nation. It will take a fundamental belief change in the majority of America. Homosexuality, abortion, greed, sloth, they all have physical consequences. To often I hear "well they can do whatever they want as long as it doesn't bother me" but it will bother you. Everyone bears the consequences of another's sin on Earth or to paraphrase the Bible "the sins of the father will visit the children". Since when is sin content for the sinner to pay it's price. Christ never sinned and sin killed him. Can we expect any less as followers of Christ?

It's the same old story as ever Ecclesiastes 1:9 .
 
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Odale said:
My question wasn't pertaining to God's opinion (that might be a poor word choice) about the President of a secular Government being Mormon, it was more directed at why hard-core, "Bible-thumping" Christians lean towards a Mormon, rather than a professing Christian (as Lloren said).

I apologize if that was unclear.



Definition of a cult in this circumstance: A group that professes policies and teachings that are largely and directly against the written scripture or teachings of a vetted and accepted group with which they align themselves.
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I think you have been hijacked never to return to the question at hand.
 
Mormonism is as bad as fake Christianity. We are commanded to avoid both. So in terms of the original question, Mormonism is a cult. Any religious leader who fails to classify it as such is just as bad and should be avoided.

Since both canidates fail the "Is your religion my religion?" test it's fair to do as the Bible commands us and judge the tree by it's fruits or to judge righteous judgement.

Hard-core Christians embrace Romney not because he is Mormon but because his actions and beliefs are closer to Biblical than President Obama's.
 
I guess I do not understand the question. I saw it answered 3 times in this conversation....God thinks about Mormonism what Paul said, any gospel that is not the one he preached is a false one. What else are you asking Odale?
 
The Mighty Gerbil said:
Um guys Hitler said he was Christian too. People will say anything to get what they want it but it's meaningless without works to back it up a.k.a. faith without works is dead James 2:14-26. It's common sense rate anything a candidate says they are or says they will do behind, far behind, what they've actually done.
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Godwin's law hit by page 3. You are correct. Conversion without evidence of conversion is worthless. Great reference in James. I don't to hijack this thread any longer so I'll start a new one on this topic here: http://www.cgalliance.org/forums/showthread.php?46589-Evidence-of-Salvation

I guess I do not understand the question. I saw it answered 3 times in this conversation....God thinks about Mormonism what Paul said, any gospel that is not the one he preached is a false one.
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Good point Ewoks.
 
Wolfeman said:
Mormonism is as bad as fake Christianity. We are commanded to avoid both. So in terms of the original question, Mormonism is a cult. Any religious leader who fails to classify it as such is just as bad and should be avoided.

Since both canidates fail the "Is your religion my religion?" test it's fair to do as the Bible commands us and judge the tree by it's fruits or to judge righteous judgement.
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Both candidates have done their fair share of good deeds, or produced fruits which we can judge. Obama cites his years as a community organizer in Chicago, where he encouraged minorities to stand up and demand that their part of Chicago be treated the same way as other more affluent parts of the city. As an American I have no problem with that.

On the other hand, Mitt Romney cites how he has served the LDS church - he has been a pastor, donated millions to the LDS, been on missions, etc. All of that is well and good, but he is still promoting a cult who identifies itself as a sect of Christianity that teaches ideals and events that are not in, what most Christians consider, the Bible. That is from where my question originates - Mitt Romney has served his "church" well - he has served his cult well, and in doing so has promoted false teachings. As an American I have no problem with that. However, as a Christian I have my reservations about it, and to me it seems that these reservations are largely lost on a good deal of American Christians.

Edit: Also, I posed this question with the assumption that being an American was supremely less important than being a Christian and perpetuating accurate Christian doctrine (Read: not Mormonism/Cultism; And I am not trying to insinuate anything by statement). The President of the US has immense power and some of that power comes in the form of influential power. I then assumed that having a Mormon as President would be disconcerting because of that influential power.

Wolfeman said:
Hard-core Christians embrace Romney not because he is Mormon but because his actions and beliefs are closer to Biblical than President Obama's.
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Without the references to the actions and beliefs you speak of, this seems more subjective than objective.
 
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Point taken Odale. You have presented a somewhat biased list of "deeds" on the part of the cadidates, which is normal we all tend to present a limited list of characteristics and tend to focus on the ones we find most important. As others have pointed out, I'm not voting for the next pastor of my church, or the head of my denomination. I am selecting what I think is the best candidate for president from my own biased and limited knowledge. Obama's "community organizing" for leftist organizations such as ACORN do not strike me as the pedigree of a leader. Having been Governor of a state (quite liberal in his policies at the time), having pulled the Utah Olympics out of its financial problems to make it successful and profitable, and being the CEO of a large financial institution and business leader are all positions which require leadership and ability. Those are the qualities which have convinced me to believe that he is a better choice for president than Obama (among other things).
 
Isn't this entire discussion basically akin to the good Samaritan?

You have to decide which, if either, will do right and it doesn't matter what religion they "say" they are.

Odale said:
Without the references to the actions and beliefs you speak of, this seems more subjective than objective.
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>.< Really Odale we are going to have an endless thread needing to reference every, single issue, going into off topic craziness if you keep this up. I'll just say everything I've read says Obama swings really far out there on abortion and homosexuality and Romney would be hard pressed to do as badly as him on those issues. Those are the two main issues I vote on.
 
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The Mighty Gerbil said:
>.< Really Odale we are going to have an endless thread needing to reference every, single issue, going into off topic craziness if you keep this up. I'll just say everything I've read says Obama swings really far out there on abortion and homosexuality and Romney would be hard pressed to do as badly as him on those issues. Those are the two main issues I vote on.
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This is a common issue I think most Christians have is choosing the issues they would vote on. I have a very difficult time with this. I see Jesus more concerned with people, particularly the poor and outcast than these first world issues.

And for the record, I write in candidates. I do not believe any main line candidates are close enough to my views. And yes, I did vote for Ewok's for California Senator.
 
The Mighty Gerbil said:
Isn't this entire discussion basically akin to the good Samaritan?

You have to decide which, if either, will do right and it doesn't matter what religion they "say" they are.
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I suppose you're right.


The Mighty Gerbil said:
>.< Really Odale we are going to have an endless thread needing to reference every, single issue, going into off topic craziness if you keep this up.
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I only gave one substantive response :P. The other two consisted of a one word answer and a clarification of what I mean't by "cult."
 
Icthus said:
This is a common issue I think most Christians have is choosing the issues they would vote on. I have a very difficult time with this. I see Jesus more concerned with people, particularly the poor and outcast than these first world issues.
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Yet Jesus never petitioned the Roman government to take care of those people. Instead he places that responsibility on individuals and the Church h.
 
Icthus said:
This is a common issue I think most Christians have is choosing the issues they would vote on. I have a very difficult time with this. I see Jesus more concerned with people, particularly the poor and outcast than these first world issues.
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I respect your point but 50 million dead babies, in America alone, are people and the most innocent of us. More so secular people will help "poor" people and are overtly fond of certain "outcasts". I'd rather help the ones who aren't getting any help from secular people. Maybe you are speaking of preaching the Gospel to the poor and outcast but our government is not going to do that with any "help" they would give no matter our vote. Ramble, ramble, off topic, ramble :p .
 
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Read something interesting on this on this blog.

This election's choice: Romney, third-party (=Obama), or don't vote (=Obama)?


"But he's a Mormon!"
Yep. That stinks. I wish I could vote for a rock-ribbed CalviDispieBaptoGelical. But no, Romney's a Mormon.

But so? Has Romney proposed outlawing monotheism or the Gospel or the Solas? Not that I've heard.


In fact, let's just talk brass tacks: (1) Romney couldn't harm Christians' rights without harming Mormons' rights, and he's unlikely to do that; and (2) President Romney's Mormonism should provide golden opportunities for Christians to explain and present the true saving Gospel of Christ; and (3) the only alternative, President Obama, professes to be a Christian while embracing ideology and values directly in opposition to Christianity, and (4) Obama shows far more concern for the religion of Islam, which is implacably opposed to Christianity.


Electing Romney means, if anything, a target-rich environment for the positively evangelistically-minded Christian. Isn't that a good thing?
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