More than a Matter of Ratings

[7F]LarryBoy

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This is taken from Charles Colson's Daily Breakpoint.

"Imagine for a moment that you feel like seeing a movie, either at home or in the theater. After listening to BreakPoint's series this week on movies and Christian worldview, you know the importance of using wisdom and discernment when it comes to viewing choices.

For many Christians, the exercise of discernment begins with checking out a film's MPAA rating. Unfortunately, too often that's where their discernment ends, as well. I say "unfortunately" because there are films with little or no "offensive" content—profanity, sex, or violence—whose worldview is hostile to the Christian worldview. And there are films that, despite some "offensive" content, contain valuable moral and spiritual insights.

An example of the former is the 2000 film Cast Away. The PG-13 film tells the story of Chuck Noland, a Federal Express troubleshooter marooned on a deserted island for four years. After being rescued and returning home, Noland learns that he can't pick up where he left off. At the end of the movie, we see him literally and figuratively at a crossroads. He looks into the camera with an exquisite expression on his face and shrugs his shoulders.

The lack of profanity or sex might lead some Christians to label the film as "family-friendly." But this missed the film's existential core. For Noland, life has no intrinsic meaning. The only meaning it has is that which we find through acts of heroic individualism, like Noland's struggle to survive on the island. But these acts are ultimately meaningless. As the final scene tells us, none of Noland's choices really matter and he knows it—hence the shrug.

On the other side of the coin are films like last year's About Schmidt, now out on video. It was rated R for "strong language" and "brief nudity." In it, Jack Nicholson played Warren Schmidt, a recently retired insurance company executive. His life is, to put it mildly, unsatisfying. After his unfaithful wife's death, Schmidt sets out to keep his daughter from marrying the wrong man.

Much of the story—a riveting look at the bankruptcy of life without meaning—is told using a voiceover reading of letters Schmidt writes to an African boy he sponsors through a relief agency. The "relationship" between Schmidt and the African boy serves as a metaphor for the lesson he learns through his experiences: a satisfying life is only possible through helping others—a powerful moral lesson, even in the midst of the profanity and vulgarity.

Other examples of films ratings not telling the whole story are the films of director Whit Stillman. In movies like The Last Days of Disco (rated R), grace, redemption and Providence play an important role—so much so that, as author Austin Bramwell has written, "In the very act of enjoying his films, Stillman's audience confirms the superiority of the Christian worldview."

Does this mean ratings don't matter? Of course not. They're very important. But they're not a substitute for understanding the worldview on display in a given film.

BreakPoint is here to help you think through the worldview issues in every area of life. And when it comes to movies, even more than content, it's the ideas a film espouses that can be beneficial or harmful to us, to our kids, and to the culture."

Thoughts, comments?
 
"Garbage." Watch what you want, but don't blame the media for corrupting you: blame yourself.
Fahrenheit 451 is banned in some states for content and questionable ideas. Fahrenheit 451 offers a very possible outlook on the future, but because of the manner it does (virtually, I believe, without profanity of any sort) the world can't stand it, because it may just happen, and the ideas it offers: the burning of books and the murder of innocents when the culprit can't be caught, et cetera, the running from the government to read books and pass them on, the twisting of information to censor out anything from the past...all that scared them into banning the book. Ironic that it speaks of such actions occurring within its passages.
But Hitler's Mein Kampf is allowed on the shelves. Makes a lot of sense.
What matters is this: what you want to do with what is presented before you. Myself I usually only watch movies I want to, and not crap that you see splayed everywhere: The Hulk, for instance. Daredevil was a mistkae on my part. I THOUGHT it would be cool and sexless like X-Men and Spider-Man, but the second meeting between a blind man and a babe results in nothing less than a fiery night between the two. Kudos. I hate them for that. So I hardly trust Marvel now because they botched it.
But Disney does a fairly decent job except lately in their human-acted movies where they're slowly degrading into vulgarity. Holes had ONE swear word throughout its pages. Its movie had at least three to five. Why? There was no need. Also it strayed from the book in major parts, as well, but hey, who cares if all you do is glue yourself to the boob tube?
Finding Nemo, Toy Story, Monsters, Inc., The Lion King, Fantasia were all freaking awesome though.
The Matrix was great, minus a few swear words, and a flick off, as I see no problem with violence on television. The philosophy behind The Matrix was very interesting, as well, though it rather negates the whole "Jesus is Christ thing." There's this church in my town, Bay Area Fellowship, that is crap. It is a mega-church. It has at lesat a congregation of 2-4000 each service day (four services, two days). Recently they did The Matrix: God Loaded. Whooooo. "NEO=New. Also if you mix up lettes it spells ONE, and again, EON which means GOD." Uhhh...Eon doesn't mean God. It's a thousand years. "The millennial reign of God! Also Anderson. Thomas Anderson. Thomas doubted in Christ's resurrection, much like Neo doubts in the validity of the fake world, the Matrix. Anders is taken from the Greek name Andros, meaning, man. So it's Thomas, Son of Man."
Ahhhhhhhhhh. It's all so clear. And Trinity must be the church..........I get it! We have to have sex with the Messiah! It all makes clear sense to me now. Or are you gonna say, Bil, that that little episode was just to show the intimacy of the Church with God?
There comes a point where you have to judge even the church's content, along with flicks.
Flicks are minor compared to the church.
Watch what you will, and judge its content for yourself.
 
An Eon is considered to be the longest period of Geological time, containing two or more era's.

It's from the Greek work meaning, literally, a space or period of time. Of course it might have been hijacked since its inception by a religion that, like a hermit crab, seems to like borrowing things and making them its own... ;)

Eon
 
Wink, wink right back at ya Eon.
Or maybe words not being hijacked by a twisted religion, but by twisted individuals of a religion...a following of any kind consists of any individuals and is an example BY their individuals, and not as a group whole, as too many divisions are among any group to call it unified.
Hmm. Eons are used in geological time scales as a period, yes, but I also believe that eon is a long stretch of time NOT restricted to the study of the earth, which is why I do think that, yes, eon is a word for a period of time, perhaps a millennium. I know not.
And if you are ever cursed enough, or upset enough with your own church, to visit this church: you have my pity.
 
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Quote[/b] (Mr_Eon @ June 27 2003,7:05)]The longest period of Geological time,  containing two or more era's.
Hrm Dictionary.com says
e·on also ae·on ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n, n)
n.
An indefinitely long period of time; an age.

The longest division of geologic time, containing two or more eras.


Hrm thats almost word for word with eon's
 
I know, it's spooky isn't it? Almost as if I sought out independent confirmation before posting... ;)

And I never used the word twisted, Ultima - it's difficult enough to defend the things I DO say, don't make me start having to defend the things you said I say... ;)

Eon
 
I kinda have to agree with Tribfroce, The bible says the eyes are the gateway into the soul. Now i cant say i always practice what i preach, but of late i have been really trying to edit what i watch. i've found if lust is a stumbling block for you then you probably shouldn't watch movies with nudity, or sex in them.
As an example of secular movies that have impressed me for thier awsomeness without swearing or sex in them, are the star wars trilogy, and Lord of the Rings. the interesting thing about Lord of the rings is that it has alot of Christian theams in it. Technicaly, if you read the back story of Lotr, Gandalf and Soruman, and the other three "Wizards" Are more likened to Angels then Wizards. The power they wield is devine in nature, other then from nature. And did you know that in the books the world of middle earth was created by one God.
That may not have seemed too coherent i just finnished a weekof overnighters and my mind is mush, i was just writing some of my thoughts.
Take care and God BLess
Rand NobleBlade
Paladin
 
Eru is the one God, but Eru takes no interest in the doings on Middle Earth after its creation. He sets the Valar and the Maiar to rule Middle Earth.

LOTR is clearly pantheistic and is descended from Teutonic themes.
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Eon
 
Yeah I saw a lot of Norse in it...but pantheism? I don't know if there are SEVERAL gods, but several powerful spirits (Valar) and such beings (Balrogs being a type of Maiar I believe), Dragons and their kind. Sauron was a Valar, a servant to the greatest of the Valar, Melkor, who turned away from Eru and became Morgoth, and slew the silver trees, and tutored Sauron in his ways, and even, I believe, taught him the fashioning of the Rings.
Morgoth: Epitome of Darkness. Sauron: Toadie.
I said "twisted" Eon. Sorry. When you said hijacked, I said, "Nahhh...maybe it's TWISTED individuals, not a twisted religion."
 
Eru did not turn away from Arda, the people of Arda turned away from him. It was Eru who raised Numenor from the sea, there was even a temple to him ontop of the mountain that Numanor stood on, and it was Eru who drove it back into the sea. He did send the valar into Arda to help guide and shape it. If you read the Silmarillion it talks of how before arda was created Eru and the Valar and Maiar sang the song of creation, which laid out all the ages of middle earth yet to come, but Melkor in his pride thought to place his own theam into the mix, but every attempt was countered by Eru, and so every victory over evil in middle earth Eru had a hand in. There was some norse influence, also roman, greek, celtic, But the creation of arda was a paraphrased version of the creation story from the bible. Melkor was the Closest in knowledge to Eru, just as Lucifer was the closest to God. Melkor in his pride tried to out do Eru, but was defeated and so he traveld down to earth just as the devil did, to try and destroy all that Eru had created. HE was eventualy defeated just as the Devil was on Calvery. but yet evil lived on, but it had an end just as it will in this world when christ returns. The christian theams are the ones that most predominate the world of middle earth. Just a few nit pickings Avatar. Souron was actualy a miar spirit, and it was the Elves of Erigon that he learned the fashioning of the rings.
 
Yes, Morgoth was defeated, but he was defeated by the Valar and Maiar - just as Sauron was defeated by the Elves and Men. Even the destruction of Numenor could be interpreted as a simple enaction of a pre-existing condition placed by Eru before his attention wandered. Men should never have set foot on Aman - the Numenorians were blessed simply by being able to sight it from their tallest towers.

Eon
 
But Man was created as one of the world's most spectacular species, superior in many ways to other species, but far less than the spiritual beings of the V&M, and in no way as powerful or pure as the Elves (and Elves themselves can be tainted wickedly).
Gil-galad was an oustanding example of an Elf (I DO believe he was Elvish) when he stood against Sauron so long ago and died in the battle.
Eru's attention, I ponder; did it wander away? Or did he just lose all care for his world due to the corruption it had received and, while he didn't move away, he certainly lost a caring of affairs.
Can you tell me, Eon, what the gods of Nordic man, do today? If they are meandering about in their halls, glancing down now and again (as personalities DO change from god to god), then they're not too different at all, are they now, from Tolkien's own spirits.
I believe Ulmo would probably be one of the better Valar out there. But of what Norse god he reminds me of I just can't name him!
 
I'm not sure about Ulmo as a Norse god - possibly Tyr, since Tyr had a serious streak just like Ulmo. Gil-Galad was the King of the Elves of that kingdom that was destroyed by Balrogs, I think. As you say, a great Elf. Men are somewhat less pure, of course, even the men of Numenor are only pure because of the Elven blood that runs mixed with their human blood.

I'm not sure Eru ever intended to spend all his time worrying about the world that he created. I think he's off doing other things - after all he created the Valar to look after his creation.

What are the Norse gods doing now? I imagine they do much what they used to - prepare for the fight, participate in the politics of the upper and lower worlds and aid those faithful who still remember.

Eon
 
Have they ever done anything for you? Like really. LIke a miracle or something? Parted the road for you? Granted you a cool sword? Tell you about a hall being made for you? Give you reassurance in the days to come?
What? What do the Norse gods do for people nowadays? Do they just not interfere or do they just wait until the great end.
What strikes me as remarkable is the Norse end, and the Christian end: both involve dragons of mythic size. Jormungand...was the giantess, right? Midgard! That's the one. The Midgard Serpent. And the Dragon, who is Satan. And the angels of the Lord will fight him and cast him away, and he will seek out the woman in the desert to devour her child but she shall birth to one who shall rule the world with an iron scepter.
And in the end, the Dragon will prepare for a massive battle, but will be cast into the flames, ultimately.
It's really cool how similar we are in some ways. I wonder if God likes myths.
 
Nope. Although the Talisman I wear might count, really it's nothing more than your cross is to you (if you wear one). A bit of an anchor in trying times.

What is it that your God has done for you? Has he ever come down on a pillar of flame and gifted you with something material? Has he ACTUALLY ever spoken audibly to you (in your head doesn't count) in order to explain some point of theology (or something practical even!)?

What I get out of my relationship with my Gods is a roadmap for my life ahead. Is a sense that somebody watches as I stuggle my way through life, sees me picking myself up off the ground to have another go and approves. A sense of paternal kinship. A sense of shared understanding and appreciation. Mutual respect. A sense of connection to all the warriors of my blood who've gone before and will come after.

No, they don't shield me from life, but I get the impression that they at least notice when I've taken a bruising hit.


Eon
 
Cool. The thing about our God is he says he basically picks us up in the bad spots and carries us through them, if we depend on him. I am absolutely certain we can get through rough spots without God's help (as so many non-Christians do) but as for me: when times are overwhelming me and I am being smacked about my life's dirty scourge, I need help. And my God says he helps me.
As for physical manifestation or signs of any sort: nope. Not a one. The only thing I could clue in on is tithing. When I give to God willingly and cheerfully, I seem to get so much more back then I gave. I give 5 here, 10 there, I get 60 later on as a gift. Now, granted, maybe that 60 would have come regardless if I gave to God, but you know: he says he will reward us tenfold what we give to him. And it's kind of reassuring when I get much more than I gave.
Again, you may not give a penny to the Gods, and still get paid loads of cash (I assume you would considering your career). But I don't get paid loads of cash and my parents give when they can and they want to.
So that's perhaps the biggest thing I've seen of God. As for other things that are not as large: he says he keeps intact everything with His Word. The movement that's removed, it's all gone in a flash of comubstion. I am alive because my God says it to be so. Why am I alive? How can I prove that is so? I can't. But I believe it. I cannot prove to any man that we did snap into existence from the Big Bang, though the idea is laughable and scientifically preposterous, and the odds are billions of zeroes to one that even the STARS were set just so that they could live. Stars. Just the stars, needless to say human life and environmental sustenance. All signs point to a catalyst of the Universe. A designer of sorts. And my God says he designed it. Why not believe him, if an entire culture also believe they were led out of Egypt, toppled Jerichoan walls, were taken captive in Babylon, one of their kings built a temple overlayed with gold and built of cedar wood and quarried stone...and archaelogical finds point that all this is true. And this same culture also believes that a deity was responsible in each of those events. The same deity that claims to have started the universe.
It helps in my belief.
But God never told me: "Josh, Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn, and Kenneth Hagin are all deceptive liars." I had to figure that one out on my own. If God ever actually told me something, I could quite believing in him forever an do what I wanted to until I felt it was time to die, then cast my belief on him again, because I KNOW for certain he exists. To have verification of a spirit is to almost make you not want to believe any longer. The Jews believed so much in God that the instant their protection and guides were removed they went right into what their God said not to do. Adam and Eve believed in God so much that they ate the forbidden fruit ASAP.
But I have not seen God. I have only "felt" him. I have only "heard" him in my mind and my soul. In no way can I verify his tangibility.
But you know, it's always cool to try.
What does your talisman do? Just mark you as a believer of, uh...what do you call the Norse pantheon? Besides the Gods. There's gotta be like a name for them. A grouping name. Like Ghand. Or something.
 
The hammer is the mark of Thor, who is my patron deity in the Norse Pantheon. It might be worn by those who identified with Thor over and above the other Gods, or it might be worn by somebody with a different (or even no) patron deity if he particularly wanted help with something that was viewed to be in Thors domain.

Everyone knows that Thor was a warrior god, and that he spent a lot of his time away making war on the giants, and there are many tales about his famous temper. The tales that haven't made it into the mainstream quite so much are the tales of his kindness to the common people. Thor believed very much that it was the task of the strong to protect the weak. In the wilds, when the weather came down suddenly, many travellers were saved by a stranger with a booming laugh who directed them to shelter, and helped keep their spirits up. A talisman of a hammer is known to be a good way to get and keep Thors attention on a journey - I've never had a journey go badly whilst wearing it (even travelling on British Trains!).

Regarding hard times - it's said that the Gods will see to it that your destiny is not something greater than you can manage. This is not to say that you will never strive and fail - the Norse attached less stigma to losing than some cultures, but they attached a LOT of stigma to not giving your best. When their men marched to war on a raid the women saw them off with a cry of "Come home with your shield, or on it".

In Viking war prisoners who were released, were often released with weapons (they would need them for the journey) but not with their shields (which were used only for fighting). The honourable dead who fell in battle were returned to their kin carried on their shields for burial.

In short, it's less important whether I carry the day or not - and far more important that I either win or else give my best.


Eon
 
So you just choose what God you want to follow out of a selection? And you can follow ANY of the gods, or the lesser spirits? Like suppose you and Thor weren't cool on each other's terms: Would you take after Valkyrie? Or Freya? Or pledge your allegiance to Fenrir itself?
Do you like swear my weapons and items from the Norse beliefs? Like...uh, "By Gungnir's returning edge, I've never HEARD of such a thing!"
I don't know so I'm just asking. If I'm being an infidel don't hesitate to send Thor on me.
Speaking of which, does Thor still come down to guide people to safety? Like would a Tolkien report it like this: "Tom Bombadil...errr, Thor, guided to me safety last night in that horrid blizzard."
Bombadil and Thor really remind me of each other, you see.
 
DON'T DISS BOMBADIL, CUZ HE WAS COOL, FOOL!!! (joking, of course..)

As for Thor.. I want a cool sword.. please...

for decoration.

*waits*

*waits*

thor: nope. NO YUO!!! AYBABTU!!!!!! a winnar is me!

me: man.. sucks.. cheapskate.. won't grant me a cool sword.
:P @ Thor

On a more serious note: Yes, i totally agree that ratings don't tell the whole story. just because a movie has no swearing/sex/violence, is it still OK? spiritually satisfying? no.

It's the content that matters.

It's like people. Jesus hung out with tax-collectors, prostitutes, etc. but he knew that they were good on the inside. The pharisees were good on the outside, but did Jesus regularly hang out with them? no.

Although there are limitations to this analogy. movies don't change, but people do.
 
Morals, however, change like the wind, and the acceptance of flicks change with the morals...so movies change to embrace our lusts and wants.
 
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