Meeting: Wednesday May 4 @ 5:00pm

Avesther

Avesther

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Meeting: Wednesday May 4 @ 5:00pm in Stormwind after Chivah's sermon.

This is an important meeting

Please make the effort to be there. If you can not be there and wish to have your opinion known, please take the time and post here.

This is not a thread for arguments. Nor is this the time for personal attacks.

Rather, it is time for us to look into the future and determine in which direction the bow of this boat is to face. There are two competing forces ripping at the guild. We can point fingers all day and in the end, all we end up with are hurt feelings and cramps in our fingers. Instead, let us all gather in a room, turn on the ceiling fan, throw the Orc doo-doo up and into the fan and let it land where does. I'm sure, there is more then enough to cover all of us. Now that the blame has been spread, lets move on.

Half of the guild have oars in their hands and are powering us east while the other have tries to go west. All that is left is a ship going in circles, creating a vortex, into which we are sinking.

We must get everybody paddling in one direction. Only then, can we move forward. I would like to take the time to remind everybody why they first started with the guild by directing you to this thread: http://www.cgalliance.org/forums/showthread.php?t=7268

Most people are listed here...some of the newcomers have not. If you have not posted to this thread and would like to, please send me what you would like posted via PM and I will post it on your behalf. If you would like to change something, also, please send it via PM and I will add it to the thread.

This meeting is important. It will offer us all a chance to communicate again, what we want from this guild, offer ideas to how to get there and commit to a course of action.

The agenda will be as follows:

5:00pm Server time, meet at Cathedreal to hear a teaching and to prepare and open our hearts, eyes and ears to Gods will and wisdom.

Immediatly after, we will depart and go to an out of the way building and room together to meet and discuss.

First: Everybody will be given a few moments to present what they would like to see or experience from within the guild.

Second: A determination of consensus. What is it that most people want. This will be the direction the boat will turn.

Third: Offering of ideas to support that direction. What things can be done that promote this direction.

Fourth: A commitment from guild members to do what needs to be done to get the boat moving in that direction.

Fifth: Closing in prayer. From here, I pray things only go up.

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If you won't be able to make the meeting, please take a few minutes and post what you would like inputted into the meeting. I will personally make sure they are all brought up. If you would perfer, you may send my it privately via PM. Again, I will make sure that your feedback and input is brought up and heard by all.

---- E D I T - ADDED ---

After talking with Bowser, I am confirming that we will not change our focus from being a Christ centered guild. That is simply not in the cards, it is not negotiable.
 
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The original guild leader wanted a place where we could all fellowship; because that's what he strongly believed in. He sees it as a bunch of friends around a campfire in the mountains, talking about personal experiences in their lives and telling stories. The guild was set up, and the leader worked hard to emphasize this, to be a fun and friendly Christian community above all else. It was a place where we could talk to and with each other, and not so much of a place to be concerned about getting the best items and gear, or finding a group of strangers to do an instance.

If we can consider it, is this the direction we should be going? I believe so, absolutely. Afterall, what is the point of our guild if we're not a Christian community? It's more than just being a Christian; it's about living the life of Christ, coming together and sharing our interests, and having conversations with our friends, rather than avoiding them and instead going to strangers to place our phony friendships in.
 
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honestly i play WoW to "get away" from the hussle and bussle of my studies, to have it as a rigid organization and setup wearries me personally. i enjoy Redeemed because i know i am not going to have to deal with a bunch of filth in G-chat lal day long, this may sound harsh, but i could careless if everyoneis a christian in the guild i am in, what i want is a place for me to hang out with some friends, maybe do some PVP with people who i know and have played with or instance run with said people too, i am in redeemed for that aspect and not much else honestly.

in closing to quote an undisclosed person(not myself) a bunch of our members(redeemed) are really great people, they are nice and friendly, but i dont like grouping with them because there are people out their who play their classes better.

maybe this is something we need to work on (this was coming from a high level player too).
 
Thank you guys for your comments.

I want to remind people, that there are people on the server who will say things that will hurt. This is not the place to ask who, or what they said about who. This is an open thread, no criticism or personal attacks allowed.

I'm sure its not easy reading some of these words, I'm sure its not easy for Lion of Judah to hear them from others either or for him to share them. We need this to remain open and safe for people to post so that we can consider as much as we can possibly can.
 
I agree with Bowsers intentions of having a christian guild where members are there for each other and not just themselves. A christian guild is not about a place to hang out with a little clique where the chat wont burn your ears.(I dont mean this personally to anyone. There are many who join guilds for this reason) Believe me there are 100's of guilds in the game where the chat is clean and the focus is on being high level or powerful fast.

My husband and I personally joined this guild because it was to be a christian guild focused on fellowship and friendship as christians. This is what we left in Daoc and this is what we wanted to continue to be a part of. Being a Christ centered guild and playing our characters with a focus on being a Godly example is the 1 thing that sets us apart as a guild from all the rest.

There should be no need for members of the same family to dispute over loot, abandon group members when things to ugly, leaving them to obtain their corpse in an impossible situation alone, exclude fellow guild members because they arent as experienced with their play style as others, and ignore events sponsered by members pouring their hearts and time just because they dont involve getting loot, exp, etc.

When people run into our guild members I want them to to think gee..they are really a close fun group. Why do they seem so different from the rest. I want the horde to think..man everytime we try to gank someone in that guild 3 or 4 of their members are nearby and they stand together.

When many of us expressed concern to Bowser about being on a pvp server he told us the reason he insisted on a pvp server was to make it so guildies would have to group together to be safe. He wanted to do all he could to encourage fellowship and form friendships. Yes we should be grouping with members outside the guild. How else will we be an example of Christ to them? But at the same time we should be making an effort to respect and care about our guild members like we would our own family.

If we are members of a christian guild then we are professing to the world of wow that we are indeed christians. And if we are indeed christians we need to treat people as a christian should in the very least at least our own guild members.

We have plenty of members who are young or just plain new to mmorpgs. There need to be some sort of clear expectations to guide them on how to play their characters in a group. And there needs to be strong examples for them to learn these things from. If no one ever groups with them and explains these things how will they ever grow to become awesome players who are respected in the community?

If we care more for our own advancement and our own little world of friends and dont have the time or the desire to fellowship and assist our guild then perhaps we joined the wrong guild for the wrong reasons. I'm sorry if this sounds harsh and I dont mean it as a personal attack on anyone. It is a common thread I am seeing throughout the guild and it breaks my heart.

EDIT: Seriously all please take the time to go reread your post at the link Bannard suggested at:
http://www.cgalliance.org/forums/showthread.php?t=7268
Please consider what we all listed as what we wanted to have in this guild and what we wanted to do for it? Please think about what has changed some of our minds and lets work to get back to our common roots.
 
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jazmina said:
When people run into our guild members I want them to to think gee..they are really a close fun group. Why do they seem so different from the rest. I want the horde to think..man everytime we try to gank someone in that guild 3 or 4 of their members are nearby and they stand together.
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The other day, I was doing an escort quest into Ashevale. An undead attacked me by surprise, and killed me, losing my escort quest. Its quite discouraging to try and quest in Ashenvale and die to hoarde constantly, and this was just a basic escort mission from Dark Shores to Maestra's Post. I was very frustrated and upset, but I thought I would try again. After I had gotten killed and tried the mission again, Bannard, Osirys, Samuraij, and Sandric came galloping to my aid all on their own! By the time we all got to Maestra's Post, one of them mentioned how he scared off a level 20 undead rogue. That was the very rogue who had killed me! Even though they came to my side only briefly to help me with this one simple quest, that very action and that very day was ingrained into my mind and my heart and I love them for it.

Nobody has to play an officer or be ridgid. We want you to come and relax and be in a place with friendly guild chats. You don't have to be organized, just come and enjoy yourself. But try to think of others when you do. I don't think there's anything wrong with questing and leveling and hunting and the like. Its just that when we hurt other guild members by promising something and changing ones mind, or disputing scripture and each others interpretation, or demanding people to leave you alone because you are convinced they just want to hurt you. Just love one another, as if you were part of the same family. If someone has need and you can provide, do so. You may come for yourself or just to relax, but I want you to keep something in mind. When you give, God gives back! When you give a little, God returns a little. When you give a lot, God returns a lot. What greater gain can there be than to receive rewards and blessings from God?

I know of a man who hadn't eaten all day. He was hungry, and was going to stop at McDonalds to get him some food. On the way, he encountered a homeless man. At first, he was only going to ignore him, as he only had $5 dollars. But after a couple of seconds, he had compassion and gave the man all he had. Though he went home hungry (to an awaiting sandwich), he was filled with a great joy and peace that brought more satisfaction than a filled stomach.

Just some food for thought. :) But I just say love the Lord your God, love each other, and love those who have hurt us. That's all we're commanded to do.
 
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I must say that i am not a very good warlock player and i complain about it constantly. I am ALWAYS forgetting to soulstone someone, hand out heathstones, even pull a pet out. But before i begin playing the warlock, i was at work for 11 hours on hot cars, getting paid commission. I am very tired when i log on, forgive me for it... but i cant help it :).

And i know im not the only one who logs on tired and wants an escape of some sort. We need to keep this in mind, and be respectful of each others skills. Who cares if i cant play a warlock well, I dont. If you die because I dont get a soul stone on you its your own fault! (You will need to kindly remind me of these things.) We need to keep this in mind, always. Usually when i log on, im not doing anything particular; I'm not a "power gamer" either. Been playing since January and im only 42, that means im almost always free. Please send me if you need help :)
 
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Well, I will make this quick.

I am in Redeemed for the relationships.

I am not in it to be Uber or 1337 (that is elite for those who dont speak dood).

If i get to 60 great if I do not, not a big deal. The game is a vehicle for me to escape from the stresses of life and spend some time with people who understand.
 
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