Marriage in Canada (break away from Morals)

Avesther

Avesther

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Gandhi said:
How about this, marriage in the old days was all about having kids, and passing down what u know and what u own. But in todays world alot of people get married and choose to not have kids, they rather focus on their carears. Marriage is less about union between "god", and wanting to raise a family and more about legal rights entitled to 2 adults.
There was a time when people being married was about raising a family and more about passing down wealth. But u don't need to be married to raise a family. Society is evolving, good or bad. Is it moraly right?

I know liberals don't have a majority gov., but I think most people are for same sex marriage. If same sex marriages was such a big deal to people liberals wouldn't have goten as many seats as they did.
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I posted a massive expose on marriage back in January, did you ever bother to read it? Marriage is much more then what you have twiddled it down to. The role of marriage in society has not changed as much as people have been brainwashed into believing. While child rearing is part of it, its not the whole of it. The strength and uniqueness of marriage has been watered down by those attacking it. The people claiming that the role of marriage is changing in society are the ones with hammers and chisels in hand, chiping away the pillars of foundation holding up marriage.1

Anybody who follows politics in Canada does not attribute the number of seats that the Liberals got to the will of the people wanting to change the definition of marriage. And even if you do, by reason of simple logic, they have a minority, which means only a minority of Canadians want to change the definition, and by extension, they have no mandate to change it.
 
They are a minority government, but their still in power. If people were against same sex marriages the concervatives would of won in a land slide. But that wasn't the case, the liberals are in power, that should say something.

If u love someone, by all means get married. It doesn't matter if its man or women.
If marriage was such a sacred union the divorce rate wouldn't be as high as it is right now.
And if u remember a few weeks back we had our first gay divorce.
I'm sure u could find many passages in the bible that say marriage is between a man and a women, but not everyone in canada is christian. We're have a diverce population and our laws should reflect that.
And to me, marriage is between 2 people that love each other, so whats the big deal.
 
Is marriage is only about love? Then define love. I love my brother, should I marry him? I love my cat, should I marry her? I love my wifes sisters, should I marry them?

Have you looked at the reasons why divorce rate is high? Its high because of an abuse of an out that was created to be used by those who found themselves in abusive relationships.

Gay divorce doesn't make gay marriage is right.

Marriage is not exclusively Christian.

But if the love between two people hurt society, is it love?

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The divorce rate is high because modern life puts insane pressure on a married couple - forcing one or both to sacrifice to their careers (no longer shared work that would bring them together).

Raising of children has become higher and higher stress. You used to be judged on whether you kept them fed and clothed. Then fed, clothed and educated. Then fed, clothed, educated and entertained. Now you try and buy them a Walmart's worth of consumer goods while praying that they stay out of jail and off the hard drugs.

Frankly it's a mess.
 
Eon said:
The divorce rate is high because modern life puts insane pressure on a married couple - forcing one or both to sacrifice to their careers (no longer shared work that would bring them together).

Raising of children has become higher and higher stress. You used to be judged on whether you kept them fed and clothed. Then fed, clothed and educated. Then fed, clothed, educated and entertained. Now you try and buy them a Walmart's worth of consumer goods while praying that they stay out of jail and off the hard drugs.

Frankly it's a mess.
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WE FINALLY AGREE


WOOT! CELEBRATIONS! :eek:
 
Eon said:
The divorce rate is high because modern life puts insane pressure on a married couple - forcing one or both to sacrifice to their careers (no longer shared work that would bring them together).

Raising of children has become higher and higher stress. You used to be judged on whether you kept them fed and clothed. Then fed, clothed and educated. Then fed, clothed, educated and entertained. Now you try and buy them a Walmart's worth of consumer goods while praying that they stay out of jail and off the hard drugs.

Frankly it's a mess.
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I've been married since I was 18, 15 years ago. Imagine, just out of high school, the supposed insane pressure I should have felt. I should have been forced to quit school to take a job, we should have put our dreams on hold to make it work. We didn't. The so called insane pressure glued us together, like it should. Part of the marriage union is to be two people working as one to get through life. Sorry, you arguement doesn't hold water to a foundational pillar of marriage.

Child rearing isn't easy, children are rebellious. Sure, we hope they make the right decision and still love them to death when they make the wrong decisions. Again, its a job for two people working as one.
 
Gods_Peon said:
I've been married since I was 18, 15 years ago. Imagine, just out of high school, the supposed insane pressure I should have felt. I should have been forced to quit school to take a job, we should have put our dreams on hold to make it work. We didn't. The so called insane pressure glued us together, like it should. Part of the marriage union is to be two people working as one to get through life. Sorry, you arguement doesn't hold water to a foundational pillar of marriage.

Child rearing isn't easy, children are rebellious. Sure, we hope they make the right decision and still love them to death when they make the wrong decisions. Again, its a job for two people working as one.
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Praise the Lord for yoU! not many make it. I didn't, my children suffered and we did the best we could.
 
But if the love between two people hurt society, is it love?
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Y should society be hurt if 2 people love each other.
Do u love your brother the way u love your wife, do u want to make love to your brother the way u do with your life. Their 2 seperate things.
The main reason for the increase in divorce isn't abuse, its what eon said, but also people get boared of living with the same person. They rush into marriage, they think their in love when their not. They marry for money instead of love. There are many reasons.
Can I define love, probobly not, I think I know what it feels like to be in love. But then again I could be totaly wrong.
 
Y should society be hurt if 2 people love each other?
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Can you please answer my question, if the love between two people hurt society, is it love? Yes or no?

Do u love your brother the way u love your wife, do u want to make love to your brother the way u do with your life. Their 2 seperate things.
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Can I define love, probobly not, I think I know what it feels like to be in love.
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How can you say that the love between me and my wife is different then between my brother and I if you probably can't define love?

What is love? What is the difference between brotherly love and romantic love? Is romantic love enough for marriage, or is it more? If its more, what is it? I wan't to know your definition(s) of love? What love do you get married over versus what love you don't? Its a tough question and I am challanging you to answer it.

The main reason for the increase in divorce isn't abuse,
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I didn't say it was abuse.

Have you looked at the reasons why divorce rate is high? Its high because of an abuse of an out that was created to be used by those who found themselves in abusive relationships.
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Marriage is covenant to be worked on by husband and wife, got bored with your spouse, to bad, work on it. Your spouse is hitting you consistantly and all legal measures are not stopping the abuse, well, the law created an out for those people. It was not created for those who want to try a different spouse, it was abused by those people to get an out. It was abused to the point that it has become normal and acceptable. But it never made it right.

Did you ever read my post on marriage I made in January?
 
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You can not look at the question: If two people love hurts society, then is it love, without answering the question it is dependant on. Define Love. There is no point in asking me to provide a context for you, if you can't or won't provide an answer to the first part of the question.

So, define love.

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If your arguement on allowing same sex marriage is dependant on that it should be allowed between two people who love each other, maybe you should define the important operative word that forms the basis of your arguement.

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Original post intact incase somebody quoted it before I edited the post.
The question is pretty straight forward. If your love for somebody else results in negative consequences for society, is it love?

I'm not about to give you a reason to justify and rationalize your answer based on my eloboration.
 
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Well yes, it's still love. You did not answer my question though. What kind of negative concequences are you referring to?
 
love Audio pronunciation of "love" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lv)
n.

1. A deep, tender, ineffable feeling of affection and solicitude toward a person, such as that arising from kinship, recognition of attractive qualities, or a sense of underlying oneness.
2. A feeling of intense desire and attraction toward a person with whom one is disposed to make a pair; the emotion of sex and romance.
3.
1. Sexual passion.
2. Sexual intercourse.
3. A love affair.
4. An intense emotional attachment, as for a pet or treasured object.
5. A person who is the object of deep or intense affection or attraction; beloved. Often used as a term of endearment.
6. An expression of one's affection: Send him my love.
7.
1. A strong predilection or enthusiasm: a love of language.
2. The object of such an enthusiasm: The outdoors is her greatest love.
8. Love Mythology. Eros or Cupid.
9. often Love Christianity. Charity.
10. Sports. A zero score in tennis.

Taken from Dictionary.com.
 
do you walk around with the dictionary.com checklist when searching for somebody to love?

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Also, don't take me as an idiot. I can look up the definition of love as given by dictionary.com. If I wanted that, I'd go there. I'm asking for your definition.
 
Mr.Bill said:
Well yes, it's still love. You did not answer my question though. What kind of negative concequences are you referring to?
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For further clarification, is it your position that love has consequences outside of the two people who are in "love" with each other?

And you still have to define love for yourself. Spewing what dictionary.com has to say doesn't mean that its your position. I want to discuss what you believe about gay marriage in Canada, based on our perceptions. Copying and pasting a dictionary.com definition without bringing it into context will not fly.

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I suppose we should all be looking for a zero score in tennis when looking for a partner?
 
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I was married for seven years, it hasn't ended yet, but we haven't been in the same country for two years - since our seperation, essentially. (I don't count the two year seperation as part of our "Married" time.)

I came out of the work period I was in at the time on prozac, 25% heavier than I'd been going in and addicted to cigarettes and caffeine. Thanks to discipline I'm off the cigarettes and prozac, still take a little caffeine, although very irregularly now. No alcohol. No drugs at all.

My morning used to start with two caffeine pills, two red bulls, two cigarettes and two nurofen to take away the shakes. This lasted for about a year. Then I had my marriage end, lost my job and got heavily into debt.

Divorce was probably a healthy thing for me. I'm still a little guilty that I neglected her so much, when I shouldn't have. The fact that I was virtually insane at the time has little to do with it. She chose to end it, she didn't want joint counselling or another try - she said she didn't love me anymore. That was all I needed to hear to support her position - we parted amicably.


No kids, by the way.


Divorce was a good thing for me, and for her. I hope she's happy now and I bear her no ill will.
 
You presume much about me GP. Please do not.

I posted the dictionary.com definition of the word love with a specific purpose in mind. You are trying to establish a base premise with which to build an argument upon, so I went to the objective definition of the word. If you want to work with my definition of love in the context of marital relationships, it's basically that first one. There are only so many adjectives that I can throw out, but I believe love is a tender and selfless emotion, filled with respect and adoration and commitment and honesty. The stuff of poetry.

Now, would you please tell me about these negative consequences of two peoples' love?
 
This topic has gone of track, so lets bring it back. I really didn't mean for this to get into our personal lives, while it is of interest. Lets use personal experience to define and direct our discussion.


Anyway, back to gay marriage in Canada.

Now, if Ghandi believes that marriage should be between people that love each other, maybe he should define what constitutes love.

I do direct most of my questions to fellow question in regards to this, because, well, its an issue that affects Canadians. Sure gay marriage affects my non-Canadian neighbours and friends, but how its playing out in Canada affects Canadians. While everybody is more the welcome to join, please try and remember, I'm dealing with this in a Canadian context.
 
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