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Gods_Peon said:I'll give this much to you DV, that what you quoted is definatly what many think. But, should any of them actually read thier bibles to determine what God has to say about it, they'll find out that they are only partially right. Alas, they are not freethinkers like you. They wouldn't possible research for evidence that would be contrary to their beliefs, they certainly wouldn't google for quotes that would invalidate thier position, like you would, right?
Aside from that, I've decided to look at what the handbook of Christianity had to say about the whole thing:
Genesis 1:26-28
I must be a complete moron because I don't see God creating man here to grovel and tremble in fear of God here. Rather, I see a complete reverse of what all the quotes you gave. That God created man so that he could glorify, honor and love us. God created man and gave man dominion over his creation. Far from a subservant position you can get.
Our primary purpose on earth is to be loved and glorified by God! God said, "Let's make man in our own image." That is awesome! Not a subject or servant. "Let's make them in our likeness and give them dominion over everything we have created!"
Psalm 8:4-8
He made us to live in the Eden of his Presence.
The word glorify is not some religious expression projecting images of divinity, halos, or sunbursts. To glorify is to hold in high opinion or estimate. Glory is honor resulting from a good opinion. In creating us in his image, God expressed his high estimate of us. He glorified us.
Romans 8:28-30
Jesus speaks of sharing Glory in his Prayer in John 17:22
Paul adds:
2Cor 3:18a
Our ultimate glorification is further assured:
1John 3:1f
Col3:4
1Cor2:7
God created us so he would have us to love and glorify by sharing his likeness and companionship. Rather than creating us to be trembling slaves of whom praise is demanded, he gave to us his nature and accepts us as his sons and daughters. He invites us to come boldly to his throne. He invites us to reign with him.
When we realize this, we will love him, holding him in the highest opinion and estimation. Yes, we will praise and glorify him in word, life, and song. It will be a happy response to his glorification of us. That, however, will not be a effort to fulfill a supposed purpose on earth to meet his demands for praise.
The two motivations are radically different.
"You were bought with a price." That is the Gospel, the Good News of our glorification. "So glorify God in your body." (1 Cor. 6:20). That is our willing response of giving praise to God.
Peon, you haven't actually answered the question, have you?
What you have shown is the HOW, not the WHY.
Would you mind addressing that question?