Looking for insight(PLEASE HELP)

Phix

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Well, I'm in quite a predicament at the moment....a few things are going on that I do not like and I don't really understand how it is all happening this way, and I just feel really offended with what I believe is about to happen.

As you may know, a girl who is a strong Christian came to me at school, barely even knew I was a Christian, or had known me period; but knew I was teaching a bible study at my Youth Pastor's house. She told me that she was starting a bible study and had prayed to God for an co-leader to teach with her every other week. And she said that she wanted me to teach, so I prayed about it and I felt that God wanted me to take that step and go out there and expose my spiritual gift of pastoring/teaching to a new group of people.

We based it off of her Pastor's Bible Study book he recommended, which is a Synago book called "Friends for the Journey." We met, and I told her I didn't want the bible study to be at us at all, and that we are all equals and that it should be something completely about and devoted to God. We gave it the name of our school First Priority Bible Study. It has gone well over the past couple weeks, and we have had as many as almost 20 people come, and that is a good amount for a new Bible Study.

Two weeks ago I taught, and a friend of mine Johnny, who has some strife with me over something I will explain shortly, came for the first time. He brought a friend and his friend was not a Christian, and I am a strong teacher, who tries to go strictly from the Word of God. His friend asked questions after God spoke through me that night, and Johnny told me his friend was saved that night and became a Christian. That was wonderful I thought...now what could we do to enhance his growth I began to ponder...

Going back to Me and Johnny..Johnny is my girlfriends ex-boyfriend. He is extremely jealous of the fact that she decided for me over him, and takes much more initiative with me than ever with him. He used to yell at her for not calling him or something, or not doing everything he liked. And my girlfriend, who I love dearly, dated him for nearly 2 years, and she tells me she didnt even like him for the 16 months of dating him, and the reason she stayed with him was because she felt sorry for him, and I witnessed and defended her many occasions...well long story short she eventually started dating me, and then me and Johnny went on an retreat to the beach with our Youth. She couldn't go due to her brothers graduation. He didn't really speak to me until about the 4th of 5th day there, and told me that he loves her and will do whatever he can to get her back, and that He will tell her he loves her and wants her back so much...and he pretty much challenged me, I took no really caring of it feeling safe with my relationship, which I am. And I have forgiven him of everything he's said against me.

Well moving on, Johnny was this kid's friend, who is named Dustin McGriff. I figured since Johnny teaches with me at my Youth Pastors, he could teach at this Bible Study as well and maybe serve as a spiritual leader or something for Dustin, and could really make Dustin strive for God. Well, I had known about his teaching styles before. At my Youth Pastors, he refuses to teach out of the book, which I absolutely love and will only teach his way, which is by movies....he plays portions of movies like he did Patch Adams, and tries to relate them to bible verses and how we should act. I don't comprehend how you can compare Jesus Christ to Patch Adams(Robin Williams) at all, and I just felt he didn't convey a strong message, and so do a few of our other strong christians in our Youth.

Well I went to Johnny and asked him maybe to teach, and told Him I would talk to Victoria(co-leader of the other Bible Study) and I said I only wanted him to teach if he went out of the book. SINCE it is the structure for the Bible Study, and with the crowd we have, it's hard enough to get them to follow us teaching when it's not something they can think is funny and completely lose sight of, being a movie style teaching. He told me that he refuses to teach out of the book, and I told him well I will talk to Victoria. Well I prayed about it, and was going to talk to her today...however on the phone with my girlfriend I had predicted Johnny who is stubborn and must get everything he wants, would go to Victoria before me and plead his case and I would be shut out or not given a chance to speak in the situation.

Arriving to school this morning, Victoria wanted to speak to me, and what do you know Johnny had talked to her, and she thought we should allow him to teach, and feels God wants him to teach the movie style. And I tried to explain to her that we have a structure and his movie style teaching would completely throw it off completely. And then she made the most incredible remark ever...."Well God's walk doesn't have a structure" and in my head THE BIBLE screamed out, since it is our structure. And this is a book that is to give us assistance through what we teach and how we teach it, what questions to ask and everything...it's a smart thing to have to keep an organized structure. And now I'm pressed with a situation I thought I would face eventually, I told myself in the beginning if I felt God's work was not going to be accomplished through it, I would leave the Bible Study, maybe for good.

I have nothing whatsoever against Johnny, I was the one who felt poised to go ask him to teach in the first place, but it was practically a slap in the face to see him scoot around waiting on me, and go straight to Victoria, who my Youth Pastor has warned me is making it her thing, even though I remind her I want it to be God's and she is someone who many say who does her own thing with whatever. I just got off of the phone with my Youth Pastor who is in WV at the timebeing for a family surgery. He told me he will think about it to give me Godly council, and agrees that I should tell him to teach out of the book, and that we shouldn't let him do his own thing in something that is already set and has a structure already...but told me he would call me back in ways of dealing with Johnny and Victoria....

And I just don't know what to do really and I am going to strongly pray about it and ask for the words and knowledge to solve my problem, and I was just wondering if you people could give me some insight into it, or some ideas or your thoughts.

I called Victoria and pleaded my case somewhat, she still doesn't understand and I asked her not to announce his teaching for another week so I could pray about it and come up with a decision and set my heart right with what I should do.

Please leave your comments.
 
hehehehehehehe dude i know how u feel i know how u feel. i think that for non-christians that movies is a very useful tool but has to be backed up BY scripture, so can u try asking him what movie and part for what reason and suggesting verses that might work or team teach that area or something??
 
I don't think you should discourage him from teaching and trying to form a style that he feels others can relate to. The only issue I see here is he is not showing where the 'Patch Adams' illustrations point back to the Word.

Ultimately, we can and should use illustrations to teach application of spiritual truths. The only requirement is that it should support and agree with the truths contained in the Word.

I would take this brother aside in love. In true love and tenderness. We need to make sure our pride is left out at all times. It is so easy for 'us' to get in the way of God. I don't think God wants this young man discouraged. Rather, encouraged and shown that all teaching should be built on the foundation, Jesus Christ, who is the Word.

Blessings, and listen for His council. He'll speak to your heart through the Word and even confirmations from other brothers and sisters in regard to this issue.
 
sounds like a lot of politics?

books give structure, and are great... be careful you are binding yourself to a book for a good reason... if the teacher is going teach teh bible via another method.. still the bible is being teached.....

as with any decision, make sure the outcome is aimed at ensuring that God's word is being teached, that is the most important thing...
 
My thing is I don't believe you can really get a group of teenagers whose attention span has approved to be very waivering over the last couple weeks to focus and see the message illustrated by a movie. Especially one with the lude actor, Robin Williams, who has turned into a comical disaster with his language and vulgarity. I don't think you in any way can compare Jesus Christ to any character in a movie that is secular, and I believe that he should base his teachings out of the book that we are teaching out of. It was given as the standard and basis or foundation of this bible study and pretty much all it gives you is your verses and a couple questions you can ask, or you can make your own and fit it to your teaching style.

The Movie style, me and I found out, a few others don't like...it's basically we sit down, he starts us off with watching portions of a movie, then he'll pause it, and get someone to read a verse, and say that we need to be like that. And it just isn't strong at all, I'm sorry if I'm discouraging my teaching style...but this is the second Bible study he is trying to turn upside down by his refusal to use a given book from a pastor to teach from. Plus I believe if he is then invited into the group to teach, being as he only was present maybe the last 2 weeks of the last 7, he should not be allowed to teach for sometime until he shows that he wants to be consistent to his attendance. Also, why should he get to shake the foundations of the bible study by tossing the structure we teach in down a tube? It was started this way, and I've talked to my youth pastor, my pastor, my mentor, and they all side with me that A) either he teach from a book, or don't teach. B) Or if a girl who co-leads it keeps consistently pressing me to do the alternative thing and not have consistency, I should leave the Bible Study. I'd rather talk about this more because there is so much more you don't understand about the situation. I don't like to judge motives but I have noticed a couple of things about it.

My Youth Pastor has warned me numerous times she is making it into her own thing, and I have witnessed it, with my numerous corrections of it not being about us or I or her, that it be about God. Or that quality or quantity is what matters etc. there is so much more I wish I had time to tell you.
 
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Quote[/b] ]My Youth Pastor has warned me numerous times she is making it into her own thing, and I have witnessed it, with my numerous corrections of it not being about us or I or her, that it be about God. Or that quality or quantity is what matters etc. there is so much more I wish I had time to tell you.

Women are not to hold spiritual authority over men, 1 Timothy Ch2. she is trying to use this to reach her own ends, you either need to confront her and show her, her error in a loving manner (biblically) OR you just need to leave.

Using movies, that is something you will have to cope with. you may feel it is going against the grain and breaking all your foundation. it relates with many teenagers, they are more adapt to watch some movie and listen to a teaching than going from a ridged structure.

many secular movies make, or come from solid biblical foundations, or teachings.

Pay it Forward, watch it if you havent and you will understand. You refusing to let him teach because you dont like his style and all the other drama here could just scream of pride. you do not want him to come in and maybe do a decent job at teaching that the others relate with and like. then next thing you know they want to listen to him teach. Phix idealism is good as long as you do not let it turn into legalism. I concure 100% the Bible should be the main source of your teachings, but nothing says you can not use a movie, another book, music or a poster to help get your point acrossed and remembered.

Interresting fact for you, today more people remember the illistartions from a sermon more than the actuall preaching.
 
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