Kammy

[Kammi]

I remember way back when we were all on Illidan waiting in long ques, and I was on my very first character Reptar. I remember Calixte and the original Cammandus still doing Maraudon, with Melko and Stoop not quite at 60. I remember questing and getting help from Russel and Odale with my Verigan's fist, and on our way we kept getting ganked by an undead rogue, and finally we got him after about 30 mins. I knew the whole guild, Boazz, Fj, and Ruth just to name a few. It felt like a family, we were all close knit brothers and sisters, all believers. We moved to Stonemaul and I started my Rogue because they are overpowered :] Got bored, and started my Priest, with Evi 30 levels ahead of me, I had a goal! Now I am 60, rocked the horde with the <Quacha!!!>.

Along with my changes, the guild has changed. Dont get me wrong, I still love yall newcommers like Proeliator Young and Goblit. But now there are so many people that joined at level 60 or near there, some which i dont get along with or heard bad rumors from the great friends I have made along my journies. I don't really feel that "family" anymore. I feel we are more like a big party. With great friends there, ones that you trust and love, and then the people there that you dont know, and even some that you dont particularly get along with.

I ask myself why I stay with Redeemed, over leaving it and joining another guild. It was because of all the great people and friends in it, and the core group of christian believers there. But now, I dont feel that same guild that I wanted to stay with. Why dont I just stay for the friends that I have here, and ignore the others. Truth is, that I have made friends with most every other guild in the game, including almost every major guild leader, so why dont I just join them and ignore the people I dont like.

I try to help members of redeemed with getting raid invites to onyxia, molten core, hakkar ect, but the truth is, im pretty much a part of a-team now, I raid with them 5/7 to 7/7 days a week, and am on vent every day, as well my brother is there with them.
Of the reasons of moving Kammy to A-team is:
1. The change in "atmosphere" of the guild.
2. The advent of Emerald Dream and the loss of many original guild friends.
3. The few members that I have a distaste for.
4. The fact that I raid with A-team ceaselessly.

I still love you all regardless, and am not quitting you guys, just the guild tag. I am only leaving with Kammy at this time, and will see what changes occur in the guild. I am still going to be on the server, and If anyone ever needs help, advice, or just some chat, do not hesitate to send me a tell, as I will always be available. Remember, I am not quitting you guys, just the guild tag.
With love,
Eric

 

[Exo-Slayer]

Sorry to see you go but I can understand. I wish you luck in your future and hope you can still have some fun with us once in a while.

 

[Marcylene]

some which i dont get along with or heard bad rumors from the great friends I have made along my journies.

While I do not know you I always hate to hear that people are leaving. I realize God tells us to get along with people to the best of our ability. However, our greatest call is to Love, and show His Love.
I once heard a sermon that has stayed with me over the years. It was a powerful message that solidified what my Mother taught me, "If you cannot say anything good about a person, do not say anything at all." Considering that Love covers a multitude of sins, as it does when Christ looks at us, you can always find something good in others.
The message that I am speaking of likens those who speak badly or harshly of others as thieves, for they are stealing another's reputation and casting a bad light on their brother or sister in Christ. There will be divisions, for this ain't Heaven yet, but such is a part of life and such is how God uses people in our lives to change our own hearts.
I don't mean to step out of line, just consider bad things that happen a pumice stone that cleans all from us that does not resemble Christ. I have had this lesson many times, and found to remove myself, rather than handling things the way Jesus would expect of me, is simply to have to relive that lesson in possibly a more extreme measure later on down the line.
I have a rough time when I hear others speaking badly of another person. I don't want to hear it, I don't want my ears to become ready garbage cans. I have learned to deal with it as Jesus does, He said nothing for a time when the harlot was accused of adultry. I have heard it taught that those very accusers were probably the ones who had slept with her! Jesus final Word on the subject was, "He who is without sin among you let him first cast a stone!" Just as the people in that time, we should all shut our mouths!
Again, I do not know you nor fully understand your situation. Yet I wanted to use this as an opportunity, more especially as you said it no longer feels like family to you, for that breaks my heart. Church splits and religious differences could be settled, I believe, by dealing with things the way the Bible teaches us to do. We are called to be peace makers, yet a few wagging tongues can destroy kingdoms! When we attempt to do anything for the glory of Christ, the enemy will rear his ugly head, sometimes that enemy is simply our disgruntled flesh and a tongue that would rather gossip than take it to the LORD or the one that has offended us.
Again, I do not know you and do not mean to point a finger at you. One of your statements seems to address a problem that has come in waves as of late.
Just my .00000007 of a cents worth, for what it is worth.

If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain. James 1:6

Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth!
And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.
But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. James 3:5,6,8

 

[Marcylene]

I named no names, I said nothing bad about anyone.

I was referring to the comment that you had heard rumors. Again, I don't know you, nor your situation. I am speaking on a division of brothers and sisters in Christ in general.

Reputation=Pride? Again, I ask, when did I steal anything, defame anyone?.

Pride? I don't think so in every case. For the most part, the person being spoken against will never have any idea. The LORD told us to first go to that person. Again, speaking in general, not pointed towards you. Actually, not directed at anyone that I know in these forums. From my own personal experience, I see Love and encouragement even from nonbelievers. Anything said about another to me has been referring to what a great job they are doing.
Perhaps my post should have gone elsewhere. I read what you said about rumors you had heard and it brought this problem to mind. It was not to you directly, just problems when we do not do the simple thing that the Bible tells us. If we are offended, we go to that person. We should deal with each other in Love. I find it sad when we tend to not take things to the LORD but run to another person. Yes, we are called to uplift, pray with, and encourage others, but when rumors are started, they are usually started for the single purpose to cause division among brothers and sisters in Christ. I would venture to say that those have not prayed for a single second about the situation, they tend to run to get others on their side! We are all at different points in our walk with Christ. I mentioned this once again, not to point fingers, nor toward your situation, but with a concern that it is these kind of hurts that can push others away from the LORD.

Through this passage you have indirectly spoken badly of me. I would like to say that it is ABSOLUTLY unhealthy for people to "shut our mouths". Do you think that criminals talk openly about the pains they are suffering? Or rather do they keep it all shut in until they snap and do something dreadfull? What about alchohol driven rages, do these people turn to alchohol because they have kept their mouths shut from friends and loved ones, mabye.

No offense was meant. God says to turn the other cheek. Those are worldly excuses to do the opposite. My reason for posting this was simply because you stated that you had heard rumors. Those people should have kept their mouth shut, yes! If what we are saying about others is not uplifting we should keep our mouth shut. Otherwise, we have become gods to judge them, and we are leading out brothers and sisters in Christ down a path of dissension.

This might seem rude, crude, or uncalledfor. My apoligies.

No, I appreciate your frankness, and it is I who needs to apologize for any misunderstanding. I have seen this very thing in real life as of late. It pains me that we cannot see more love and unity among the Body of Believers. It concerns me that an unsaved person may look at us and say, "If that is Christianity, I want no part of it!" It concerns me that someone's tongue may cause someone to stumble, or separate someone who may be the very one God intended to use in a wayward ones life. It concerns me to see a family leave the church, take many with them in their anger because they are friends, then usually that person comes back, only to cause division once again, only to take others...and you know what? The ones that leave along with never come back! Wagging tongues of accusation, lead others down a path away from God.
I do not know, nor do I care to know unless I could be a peacemaker, about why this has been going on in general. You are not the first person to leave here. I have not arrived, but I will say that the ones that I have personal contact with here, are loving, wonderful people. I have never, ever, EVER heard them say a bad word about anyone, for that I am thankful.
There is a song that carries the Biblical teaching They Shall Know We Are Christians By Our Love. Rather than to speak harshly about the Family of God, I pray that we will learn to forgive 70 x 7.

 

[kraniac]

I see so many people leaving, citing a change in atmosphere. I don't detect such a change, but I am a relative newcomer, so I often wonder if I am not the cause. What can I do to fix it?

 

[Bowser]

I see so many people leaving, citing a change in atmosphere. I don't detect such a change, but I am a relative newcomer, so I often wonder if I am not the cause. What can I do to fix it?

You have a great mentality, Kraniac; you're certainly not the reason for these "changes" . I would suggest you just keep being your normal self, you're one of the several who I've noticed has a consistent positive influence in the guild.

 

[jazmina]

There is no 1 person who is the cause of any change in atmosphere. Over time people change, goals change, organizations change. Especially as they grow. Just because someone leaves doesnt mean the guild is failing in anyway. Just as a farmer needs to prune an olive tree or a grapevine so more growth can occur the following season also does God often move people from one place to another. And remember farmers do not prune away just bad or non productive branches. To start a new grapevine you need healthy grape cuttings. So when this happens dont feel like a failing branch just because a peice of you was removed to another place. Just trust that as long as you have allowed yourself to be used by the Lord that he is using you for his purpose which will advance his kingdom. Just continue to serve where God has planted you as he has led you to remain there.

I would also suggest that anyone that has concerns about these things or has felt they've experienced a change in the guild attend Thursday Teamspeak meeting. It is very important for all members to voice their concerns and help work towards the goal of unity and resolution. I think this would also be an opportunity of putting gossip and rumors to rest. Lets not allow weeds of misunderstanding and lack of knowledge to destroy what God has planted and when he is trying to do here. Also if you are one who has experienced or noticed these things please dont expect others to be the ones to resolve these things for you. Become an active part in the solution. Attend the meeting, Voice your concerns publicly amongst the leaders and work with us towards a solution.

 

[Avesther]

I see so many people leaving, citing a change in atmosphere. I don't detect such a change, but I am a relative newcomer, so I often wonder if I am not the cause. What can I do to fix it?

Nobody should be beating themselves up for somebody leaving the guild. Nobody should be beating themselves up for a perceived change in the guild atmosphere.

Everything changes, some by an act of people some because it is the natural course of evolution. Has Redeemed changed, the answer is a resounding yes. Has the change been good? Some say "yes", some say "no" and yet some say there has been no change, some say too much change and other say not enough.

There are always people leaving and joining guilds and Redeemed is no different. We are not immune to the ebbs and flows of people.