Jesus, the Spotted Lamb

absolute bottom line, final thing: I cant seem to find an answere to ur question i admit that but im doin research, however u do prove a point but bottom line this discussion is kinda pointless, and wat is ur dicision about this? Gods gift of enternal life are there, will u take it?? quite honostly the Bible says blessed are those who do not see but believe, and i believed from young age, but a few months back, i saw felt, and heard God and his spirit move throughout a stadium of 3,000 people at youth conference 2003 and felt saw and heard the spirit move and so i have seen Gods glory and will not stop believing God or the Bible cuz bottom line ive accepted Gods gift.
 
Kidan, interesting information, I haven't had time to really look over it yet, but I will.

Atown, you say I prove a point, but apparently that doesn't matter. Oh well. My decision? I'm an atheist - I don't think this God fellow exists, so whether or not a man named Jesus died on a cross 2000 years ago is irrelevant as far as I am concerned. As for your stadium story, you believe because of an emotional high, not because you have been intellectually proven anything. Interesting. I'll remember that, and perhaps not even debate with you anymore - rather pointless.

Especially troubling is your claim that you will never "stop believing in God or the Bible" becuase you've "accepted Gods gift". That doesn't even make sense...it's circular. You believe in God, because you've accepted God's gift. That doesn't make sense, because God has to exist first for you to accept any gifts from him. It's also troubling that you admit that your mind is basically closed to anything that may contradict your beliefs. So be it.

Thanks for trying, anyways.
 
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Quote[/b] (timor @ Nov. 06 2003,10:50)]It's also troubling that you admit that your mind is basically closed to anything that may contradict your beliefs. So be it.

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Timor,
I think you will find alot of us here like that. While we might be open to debate or argue the topics at hand, I for one will never believe anything different. You cannot change my mind no matter how much you try to disprove the God of Christianity. But it is kinda fun reading the far out attempts that you bring here. Some of them actually crack me up.
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Cory
 
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Quote[/b] ]Especially troubling is your claim that you will never "stop believing in God or the Bible" becuase you've "accepted Gods gift". That doesn't even make sense...it's circular. You believe in God, because you've accepted God's gift. That doesn't make sense, because God has to exist first for you to accept any gifts from him.
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God does exist so yes he can accept his gifts. Basically he is saying he sees the manifestation of God in his life and from that he can draw enough faith to keep going. As far as circuler. We dont rely on human logic so if believeing in him because of what he has done for us is circuler in the eyes of men then so be it.
 
Pop, that's not what he said.

Thaddius, that is called being closed-minded, and makes any discussion absolutely pointless. I know that at very least, Kidan is not as you speak. Also, I'm glad that I amuse you - your beliefs crack me up too, along with sadden me.
 
ty pop auctuallly u explained wat i was trying to say. dangit i need to learn how to articulat better. and timor even though my knowlege is limited i will always post on anything that catches my attention, since this post catched my attention im sure that ur future topics will be seein my name.
 
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Quote[/b] (timor @ Nov. 07 2003,11:05)]Pop, that's not what he said.

Thaddius, that is called being closed-minded, and makes any discussion absolutely pointless. I know that at very least, Kidan is not as you speak. Also, I'm glad that I amuse you - your beliefs crack me up too, along with sadden me.
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Timor,

do you honestly think your going to change any of our beliefs?

No, I'm quite open minded. I listen to what people have to say. I try to understand where they are coming from. That does not mean I will allow them to change my beliefs. I am steadfast in my faith in God through Jesus Christ.

You stand behind atheism hoping to convert us. We stand behind Christianity hoping you will return back to Christianity. Sounds like an impass to me.

Cory
 
although he/they think(s) we're close minded, they fail to realize we were not born Christians. We are not born with the knowledge of Christ, it's a choice we make, we were atheists at one point and many of us don't want to go back. We've seen/felt/believe in God and we're not turning around.
 
I agree completely with you CCGR on this one.

You can only be closed minded to new experiences.  And I have already experienced life as a non-christian.
 
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Quote[/b] (Thaddius @ Nov. 07 2003,2:12)]do you honestly think your going to change any of our beliefs?
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Speaking for myself, I don't expect to "deconvert" any of you here.  Frankly, I don't think it is any more possible to convince anyone to not believe than to convince people to believe.

I would like to challenge some of the ideas you hold.  My opinion is that some people here are open minded, some are closed minded.

To some people, I probably seem closed minded.  One of the problems is that there are fundamental (no pun intended) problems that need to be overcome before I can even begin to accept other parts.

Anyway...I figure, at worst, I hope that you all will realize that not all atheists are Satan incarnate.
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i consider myself pretty open minded, especially when it comes to books, games, movies, and regligous debates like this, however its my choice to accept any thing new.
 
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Quote[/b] ]Speaking for myself, I don't expect to "deconvert" any of you here. Frankly, I don't think it is any more possible to convince anyone to not believe than to convince people to believe.
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Exactly. You cannot make someone believe what they do not want to believe.

Being open minded is being willing to accept differences in other people. It is wiling to listen to their ideas even if they disagree with yours.

What it isnt' is allowing people to change what you believe.

Cory
 
What are you talking about Pop? I meant you were changing what he said to make it seem better.

Thaddius, you hit the nail on the head. You cannot make someone believe something they *don't want to believe*. So, regardless of whether its the truth, you can't convince some people.

Now, I ask you, why in the world would I *not* want there to be some omnibenevolent, loving God who will give me an afterlife once i die in this world? That's ludicrous to say I wouldn't love that. Yet I don't believe it, because its not the truth. Many of you speak of what you feel , and you hated life before Christianity. Well, if that emotional comfort is what you need, then rock on I guess.

Big J said it best I guess. You're right, you can't really make anyone not believe. That's a logical fallacy - proving a negative. However, flaws in communal positive assertions *can* be pointed out.
 
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Quote[/b] ]What are you talking about Pop? I meant you were changing what he said to make it seem better.
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Oops sorry I misunderstood you. He it seems couldent find the words to express himself so I helped him out a bit. That is what he ment to say.
 
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Quote[/b] ]I don't believe it, because its not the truth.
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And your proof of this is where? This is nothing more than a stated opinion. If it was not the truth then why are so convicted to disprove Christianity and not the other religions out there?

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Quote[/b] ]Now, I ask you, why in the world would I *not* want there to be some omnibenevolent, loving God who will give me an afterlife once i die in this world?
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Because it would involve devotion, commitment and sacrificing the lifestyle you probably live. You know that if there is a God and if it is the Christian God, you would have to make alot of changes, sacrifices or whatever it is. Most likely you don't want to do that, so its much easier to find why not to believe than it is to find the conviction to believe.

By the way, you never answered my question. Do you honestly think you are going to change our beliefs?

Cory
 
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