Jesus Christ as Author

Christ is the author of life, i have not followed the topic? did Christ literally write the books of the Bible? i doubt it, he could have.

I believe Genesis is focusing on Christ as the author of life and it is his words and teachings that 4 men choose to write down. But i will let him clarify that one.
 
Well this thread was created with interest in physical writings, which Christ never made.

As you said LoJ, he COULD have, but why didn't he? Wouldn't that have alleviated many, many problems?

God physically wrote the 10 commandments upon the tablets, didn't he? Why not have Jesus write something, ANYTHING down?
 
We do have an account of Him physically writing!  It is what He was writing that is in question!  I could easily believe He was writing the four beautiful sentences that he spoke.  I have heard it preached that more than likely the same men accusing her, had been in sin with her.  Maybe Jesus was writing the Ten Commandments to remind them of the law:)...  
                                    Or maybe....Jesus
                                                    ---loves--
                                                   The World

Since Jesus and the Father are one, in essence He did write.  lol There you go making me think!  My preacher would envy you!  Maybe no book was authored by Jesus own hand, (understand I believe it is all inspired by Him,) because He was/is the Word living among us.

This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him.  But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as thought he heard them not.
So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
And again he stooped down, wrote on the ground.  
And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?  
She said, No man, Lord.  And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.  John 8: 6-11
 
Marcy that scripture is not found in some of the earliest MSS, that is why it has the preface, the entire account we are "unsure" of. yet it is still included because it was found to be in a MSS from the 3rd century.
 
[b said:
Quote[/b] (Dark Virtue @ Oct. 15 2004,7:18)]
[b said:
Quote[/b] (ByblosHex @ Oct. 15 2004,7:03)]Well God will only speak to you if you wish him to.
What makes you think I don't?

I welcome it.

I desired it for a long time and nothing happened.

I did everything right.  

Please, whatever you do, don't turn around and blame it on something I did or didn't do.  You don't know what I've done to get this point.
***********(Not following the thread, just reponding to a comment) ***********I try not to debate of late or get sucked in. But This tickles me silly . we are not to look at whatyou are or are not doing that you can not hear the the voice of God. Yet we have servel believes here who like me listen to and hear clear the voice of God on our lives.

So it has to be you! Bottom line, you are a doubting Thomas. DV, God love ya, we love you but you can not hear God because you Doubt him.

Why did not Jesus write any text? Faith YOU can not even prove beyond a shread of doubt He was here. But thru Faith he has changed me. Through Faith He has changed others. Even you at one time Knew his Love and the you LOST FAith.

It seems so simple to me. But then I guess that makes me me.

I do not know why Christ did not keep a journal. I can only guess. But I have faith in MY GOD!

I will never prove anything to any one. That is not my job. Thats GOd's.
 
Do I doubt? No, I do not.

Let me explain.

Doubt is defined as the uncertainty of belief. I am CERTAIN that I do not have enough evidence and/or proof to justify a believe in a god.

So no, I would not describe myself as a doubting thomas.

And why, exactly should doubt preclude one from believing in God? Thomas doubted...did not Christ give him evidence?

If God exists and wishes me to believe in Him, He will give me the evidence I need to do so.

If I do not find this evidence it will be for one of two reasons.

1. God does not exist.

2. God does not wish me to believe in Him.

Number 2 should not ever come into play since God wishes everyone to believe in Him and that no one should suffer.

Therefore, there is only one reason. God does not exist.

[b said:
Quote[/b] ]Why did not Jesus write any text? Faith YOU can not even prove beyond a shread of doubt He was here. But thru Faith he has changed me. Through Faith He has changed others. Even you at one time Knew his Love and the you LOST FAith.

Your "answer" never really addressed the question. I'm not talking about Jesus scribbling in the sand or keeping a journal. I am talking about Jesus writing down his teachings for his followers. Parables, commandments, prophecies, SOMETHING.

But we have NOTHING, not one jot, not one tittle that Jesus wrote.

I am merely trying to reason WHY.

There was a time when I would have agreed to the term "losing faith". I no longer agree with that term. It wasn't lost, it was put away. It wasn't lost due to accident or neglect. It was replaced by reason and logic.
 
God is the Word. It was all authored by Father/Son through the Holy Spirit. He uses men, always has, always will!

I would REFUSE to believe a God who could not get Scripture to me! Not in the original...please! The men who teach that nonsense are the ones whose lives need to be historically examined. If that story is not supposed to be in the Bible, throw it out! Throw it all out! What a little, inthebox god that would be! Why would anyone want to believe with such wishy/washy...uggghhh! I am not well studied myself. Can I carry the burden of proof? I plead guilty. But man! If you do not believe the Bible in its entirety is the Word of God...

I fold.
 
[b said:
Quote[/b] ]God is the Word. It was all authored by Father/Son through the Holy Spirit. He uses men, always has, always will!

But WHY use men? They are fallible to a fault. God, especially, should know that. The commandments were important enough for God to write them Himself, by His own hand. Why not the entire Bible? A committee of MEN decided what should or should not make up the Bible. Why not have GOD decree that? Why not have Jesus put pen to paper and specify the commands of God? It makes no sense at all to leave so much open to interpretation.

[b said:
Quote[/b] ]If you do not believe the Bible in its entirety is the Word of God...

I do not.

Why do you?
 
I have never read the story of the Ten Commandments asking why! I promise, I will do this. Right off the top of my head I think of Moses being called the friend of God. I have always simply assumed that God wrote those Commandments alone with Moses because of this friendship bond.

I believe God used/uses sinful man to show me that there is hope for me. If He can use Rahab the Harlot, have her in His very bloodline...man alive!

I dig deeper in the Word now. I started by believing by blind faith. I know we are required to grow.
As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby: I Peter 2:2
Nevertheless, quiet honestly, it is faith, and trust that keeps my heart. That very childlike faith I began with. I believe that the Bible is the Word of God, in its entirety because it tells me that God is the Word! There are some things that I just know in my heart. Simple, from a simple girl.
 
More specifically, I should have asked why you feel that it is INFALLIBLE. What constitutes its infallibility? What would constitute it being fallible?
 
For ever, O LORD, Thy Word is settled in heaven. Psalm 119:89

All Scripture is given by the inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. 2 Timothy 3:16

I believe there is proof and it speaks for itself. But there is also history. I have seen a man named Jewell Smith in person. He makes my head swim with dates, history, proof. A blind-faither, doesn't really need all that! Nevertheless, the part of his Bible collection that I got to see, was magnificent! He can prove infallibility "more better" than I! Therefore perhaps shedding proof of evidence of the Bible's infallibility.

http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/bible.htm

A google search brings up 998 links. I shudder to think there are more than likely some haters in that group of links!

Watering it down, removing portions, rewriting it, misinterpreting it, denying the fact that it is alive and can freaking speak out of context, ect., would render it fallible. (sheesh! I can feel it coming now!)
 
And what if any of those items were found in the Bible?

If just ONE item can render the Bible fallible, what then?

EDIT: I find it interesting that the author of that site only believes in the King James Version. He describes the other translations as, "Satan's most successful attempt to attack God's word."
 
Ok this is my small attempt yet again, but I am not going to go too far in this time. First of all DV...... my prayer for you is not the one you would expect. My prayer for you is that the Truine God ( Father, Son, And Holy Ghost) would for just one day take away all of your logical reasoning and such that you grab hold of soo tightly. You hold it as tight as I do my mustard seed of faith. ( Hmm actually that's probably your false god.... logic.) Sorry I know I am going off topic just a bit. Faith cannot be reasoned out sorry it just doesn't work that way. Btw the questioning about what Jesus did .... when I was a bit younger I questioned a pastor on this and there are actual histories that have your proof of Jesus existing here on earth..... not Biblical writings but your type of factual ones. There's probably a good bit of information in those areas telling you what happened in those " lost " years. IMO why didn't Jesus write things down himself as the Triune God wrote The Commandments......because with Jesus' coming and sacrifice and death on the cross the rules changed. OT is all law NT is all grace. Hmm I would think one of your logic would more readily believe 4 people's accounts of the same event then just our God's. More "proof" for the skeptics. Btw for me it's really hard to understand how you can know so much about the Bible but you just can't see what's there. Blessings,"Angel"
 
Maybe, just maybe, I can see something that you cannot.

I'm really amazed that you say you have a mustard seed of faith. I know others here struggle with achieving half as much. How is it that you can have so much faith and yet lack the ability to move mountains as Jesus said? Please, do not take offense, it is simply a question.
 
This is the answer I am being pushed to say. So I hope that you will not take any offense either DV. There are many parables in the Bible and Jesus, the disciples, and the prophets in the OT used many of them to make a point. So as you often do I have gone to a dictionary to give you a definition. One of the definitions for mountain is.....a formidable obstacle.
So without being rude, in my opinion you are one of our many mountains here in forums. So one of the questions to that you would say how come we aren't moving you, but I beg to differ because you still are questioning and are learning things. Also I will go back to say that God works in His timing for the good of His people. And for your information a mustard seed is the smallest seed ever created. With all the trials and tribulations of this early world, it is very easy to be able to know that that smallest amount of faith is all I need to have eternal salvation. ( Yes some days it's bigger and others it's all I can do to just believe, but that's due to that pesky devil trying to find some way to drag more people down with him.) I know that you're going to find something grab onto and try to logic you way through again but as I said before my prayer for you is for the loss of you logic for one day so that hopefully then you will have the greatest experience you will ever have here on Earth. ( Honestly I figured you would fuss at my prayer for you.... I was quite surprised that you didn't.)
Blessings,"Angel"
 
[b said:
Quote[/b] ] One of the definitions for mountain is.....a formidable obstacle.

I'm sorry, but you need to take a look at the verse. In Matt 17:20 the word for mountain is oros. Its meaning is a mountain, mount or hill. It's a physical object. If the meaning were obstacle, then obstacle would have been used. Don't you think you're reading what you WANT it to say into the verse instead of taking it at face value?

Why would I fuss at your prayer for me? To do so would be extemely rude and unthankful.
 
See I konw you's have some response, but all I am going to say to that is ..... that's what my heart was led to respond and again it has to go with a heart thing not a logic one and that's the only "logic" I could try to reason with you with. I do not read in greek or hebrew and even if I did those words again have several meanings just by hearing my pastor last night with the study on forgiveness that God gave him. Most of the words again have several meanings just like ours do so I still stand behind what I said .... we are moving our mountains and hmm last I checked a person was a physical object but I think we're working more on your heart with God's help. I also thinks it's sort of interesting that no matter the time of day you are always here. You can't stay away so that's you being moved too. You're still more worried about the logic instead of the heart. I really feel that sometime in the future it's gonna be "oh I get it" when your heart starts ruliing over your head. It then will be nice to know what you feel not think about all of your logic talk. I am also glad that you can accept people praying for you but I guess we can't do it in your presense huh???
You can always cover your ears or come a minute late and you wouldn't hear those public prayers. I know that's your other topic so I'll hush.
Blessings,"Angel"
 
[b said:
Quote[/b] ]And for your information a mustard seed is the smallest seed ever created.

Because Christ said it was? I'm sorry, but this information is not correct.

For YOUR information the seeds of the epiphytic orchid is the smallest seed. That according to the Guinness Book or World's Records. Uh...not only that, but when grown, the mustard seed is a SMALL BUSH, not a tree as Jesus suggested in Matthew 13. Not necessarily a haven for birds.
 
Here is where I believe logic and reason can really come into play! To begin by trusting in your heart, with all your heart and soul, that God's Word does not lie. Our understanding of it is at fault. That sounds like you have found something fallible, DV. I do not know the answer, but I am interested in researching the matter now. God's Word has/will stand throughout all the ages and can withstand any scrutiny.

I think we have all at some time in our lives been under personal attack. When facts are given, I can defend myself. However, when lies are being told, then it becomes more difficult to give a deffense! Usually our opposition will only give one lie after another to cover, correct himself, and make his point. It goes right back to sources. The Bible is always, for me, first and foremost THE accurate source. To believe every word in it is true, and written specifically for me, is imperative or then it becomes a fallible source in my eyes. That is for me personally. I think we all have a different walk with God, as individual and unique as we are.

hmmmm, mustard not the smallest seed...Mark 4 :31 says so...not a tree...off to find the answer. The Bible will not lie to me...I love it, every step of searching brings me not only closer to God, but more often than not, I am amazed that the Book really is alive and He will discuss other things to my heart in my journey for the truth.
 
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