Holy fire?

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Caleb

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You know how some church's when pastors pray for people pastors
say things like "Fire ,Fire, Holy fire on this person" and then
the person falls backwards on the person that catches?

When a pastor prays for a person should he include in his
prayer to God for the person "Fire, Fire, Holy fire"?

Should the person fall backwards on the catcher after being
prayed for?
 
What you're referring to is called "Being Slain in the Spirit." And for various and sundry reasons, I have to say no, it is not a Christian activity. Others will disagree with me, but that's okay. I'm used to it ;)

1) We only see similar actions in the presence of Christ, not the Holy Ghost
2) To people not familiar with the actions, it creates confusion - and our God is not a God of confusion.
3) The terminology used to describe the action "Slain" is counter-intiuitive to the Holy Ghost's mission of bringing us life (and yes, the words we use to describe things are important, because it describes the fundamental concepts behind the action).

I would go into more detail, but I'm at work at the moment so...
 
You can't force God, a lot of times people attempt to force God's hand then call it a "revival". To me that seems more like playing with fire and dwelling in the ecstasy of the moment.
 
At my church a while ago, we had a service where people started getting healed for every little thing, then my pastor began to ask people who wanted a blessing, and when they came forward to get it when he prayed they were slain in the Spirit, almost everyone was...including my parents...not me...I was like 12 and was very weirded out...and I knew for a fact it was real!
 
I agree with Kidan, I cant find any biblical evidence for it being something of value. my mom believes in it and ive seen it first hand. but theres nothing biblical backing it up and it seems actually demonic at times: http://youtube.com/watch?v=5lvU-DislkI

this video is satirical and portrays it very well i think
 
ROFL That video is awesome! Sad and yet so funny. I'm probably gonna go to hell for getting as much entertainment out of it as I just did. =-P
 
Whoa, that's really really creepy.

*shudders*

It doesn't seem very Jesus Christly to me. I mean, the guy rocked an old lady and body slammed another dude.

Question: What exactly is he doing? Why are people reacting the way they are?
 
Basically when you see the people violently shaking, thats when a demon is very active and very present and is fighting for control and Benny hinn most of the time expells the demons while slaying the person in the spirit. If you read "Defeating Dark Angels" it talks alot about this kind of stuff. and basically when their shaking on a scale from 1-10, the head demon or demon over minor ones that may or may not exist, is about a 7. now you can lower that level by working through stuff and getting rid of the footholds that they may have in a persons life and then just expelling. However benny hinn could make it simple and just say : demons you may not do this, u have no power. and they would stop, but he doesnt. he lets them sit there writhing on the floor and i dont see it as an active ministry of love.

Thats why slaying in the spirit seems very irrelavent to me as a ministry and unbiblical.
 
Good books to read about this are Christianity in Crisis and Counterfeit Revival both are by Hank Hannegraaff
 
My opinion...

Can God use it? yes... BUT we as human over state it... or dramatize the Holy Spirit's presence. We as Christians can feel the Spirit within us stir up when we get deep into prayer, worship, understanding, receiving an epifeney (not sure how to spell that... like a revelation of a subject, that you NOW understand / understand a different way) , etc.

People love to dramatize that spirit within them. I've seen many people who were sincere the in the Spirit inside them just not understand what to do with it... thus at that point, order is lost; and the meaning is also lost due to lack of order.

It is rare... yet i "guess" it is possible.

What i see that as is when in the Bible the church was filled with fear (not a bad fear, but a fear of the Lord - reverence) and began confessing their sins to one another.


Please, if anyone sees a flaw in my view, Please correct me.
 
Hmm, so the demons are really fleeing from the person when that's happening? Can I do that?

And rather then simply tell the demons to leave on Jesus' authority, that pastor guy has them suffer?
 
TV Evangelists tend to be theatrical...are they wrong...maybe...do they do good works...yes...do they get carried away and (in a sense) make people suffer...probably...

One of my Sig verses: Luke 10:19 Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

Yes, you can cast out demons...there are other better verses on it, but I think this one is just as good...I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy...
 
It is my belief that all Sicknesses, Illnesses, Cancers, and all other problems for that matter, are actually just the presence of a demon...

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Okay, I just reread what you said and I misread it at first... Yes, I classify demons as all Sickness, Illness, Disease, Depression, all that stuff...

If something does not come from Good, it comes from Evil, if something is not Good, it is Evil, if something is not from God, it is from Satan...

To believe in Jesus, is to believe in absolutes...It either is or it isn't, it is white, or it is black, there is no middle ground...You are either a Jesus follower, or you follow Satan (whether they know it or not)...
 
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I think our bodies are naturally flawed but if someone has cancer i dont believe they are demonized. cancer can lead to effects of demonization but still it seems a but much.

tjguitarz:

My classification of demons are the spiritual beings known as fallen angels or in all reality demons. Whether you feel them or see them, they are very real and very present. Demons can perform various actions such as usual tempting, work with physical objects, and yes they can make someone ill or sick. however as far as ive known it is very rare for a demon to make someone sick. Working with phsyical objects or being seen, just depends. ive seen and heard them.
 
I must dis-agree... I have a similar belief to Atown, our human bodies are flawed. Ever since sin enter the world, we as humans are flawed. We are susceptible to sicknesses, illnesses, diseases, etc. Yet it is possible that demons can make one sick, i've talked with some people who have seen it first hand, i myself... haven't. Demons are pretty good at attaching themselves to an item or a person. They are tricky. But we are stronger. We have authority, in Christ, to command them to leave.

I have had this odd disease for a while now. I've prayed over myself, i've had people pray for me, and i've even had a large group (30 men) pray for me... and i still have this disease. I've had a old friend of my family pray for me (I gave him the nickname of a "demon-hunter" - i don't mean anything by that besides that he has a large knowledge of spiritual warfare due to first hand experience - Atown can even gouge for this guy... he has been threw a lot). no matter what i do i still have this disease... Is it from a demon? i think not...

Demons can make someone sick... but not all sicknesses are from demons.

If all sicknesses were from demons, when non-Christians got sick...they probably wouldn't get better, ever. Demons are not very good at feeling sorry for someone and releasing their bonds over that person just on a whim or sympathy.
 
Glitch said:
I must dis-agree... I have a similar belief to Atown, our human bodies are flawed. Ever since sin enter the world, we as humans are flawed. We are susceptible to sicknesses, illnesses, diseases, etc. Yet it is possible that demons can make one sick, i've talked with some people who have seen it first hand, i myself... haven't. Demons are pretty good at attaching themselves to an item or a person. They are tricky. But we are stronger. We have authority, in Christ, to command them to leave.

I have had this odd disease for a while now. I've prayed over myself, i've had people pray for me, and i've even had a large group (30 men) pray for me... and i still have this disease. I've had a old friend of my family pray for me (I gave him the nickname of a "demon-hunter" - i don't mean anything by that besides that he has a large knowledge of spiritual warfare due to first hand experience - Atown can even gouge for this guy... he has been threw a lot). no matter what i do i still have this disease... Is it from a demon? i think not...

Demons can make someone sick... but not all sicknesses are from demons.

If all sicknesses were from demons, when non-Christians got sick...they probably wouldn't get better, ever. Demons are not very good at feeling sorry for someone and releasing their bonds over that person just on a whim or sympathy.
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I have a somewhat similar view, but I believe that demons can heal also, just because someone magically gets healed doesn't mean that God did it. A misguided church can turn into a satainist meshpit if they stray from God and not realize it.
 
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