Flying w/o a mount

[faust]

Not sure if this exploit/bug still works but I thought it was interesting just the same: How to Fly without a mount

 

[Tinie]

And we would want to do an exploit why?

 

[faust]

... because I think it's cool to "swim" through the air. We aren't on a pvp server, so it's not like we really get much of an advantage doing this. I guess I am alone here, but I thought it looked like fun (for about 5 minutes).

Edit: Let me just emphasize that this "bug" doesn't let you do or go anywhere you couldn't go otherwise. This is also only an exploit if you are on a pvp server (which we are not) because when you are flying in this way you can actually attack normally.

I would not have posted this if I thought it had an serious ramifications... just thought it looked like fun.

 

[Kagnus]

Technically, this is against the ToS, so I would be wary of doing it. If you were to do it and another player were to report you, you could suffer disciplinary action on your account. According to the ToS "Using or exploiting errors in design" is a violation and is against the intent of game play, regardless of impact on other players.

To note, I have already reported a horde player for doing this before I even knew about this bug or that it was repeatable. I saw him swimming through Shattrath and figured he was modifying the packet stream somehow. And there are many more people, even outside this guild, that report things like this that they see. So beware of doing it. Better to use the time to quest

 

[Darkpanda]

I may need a lesson on gaming ethics, but I don't see this as a huge issue unless it is being exploited to gain advantage in regular game play, pvp or otherwise. Seems like a hordie swimming in the air around shattrath is harmless. In fact if I saw that my reaction wouldn't be oh my I better report this guy, it would be how did he do that? I remember a time when you could run along side of walls, and could get to places that you otherwise couldn't that way. Was that an exploit deserving of disciplinary action? Seemed rather harmless then. Would the forgivens chosen site for guild photo be deemed an improper use of a terrain exploit? Just food for thought, not everything needs to be taken so seriously.

Sean

 

[Tinie]

I remember a time when you could run along side of walls, and could get to places that you otherwise couldn't that way. Was that an exploit deserving of disciplinary action?

Be sure to ask a GM that question

An exploit is an exploit. I am sure Mike didn't see it as anything wrong. Connor and I are just pointing out that you don't go around advertising or using known exploits unless you want to put your account in jeopardy. Very simple. This is not aimed at Mike, but the use of exploits.

Would the forgivens chosen site for guild photo be deemed an improper use of a terrain exploit?

As a matter of fact, it was, and was brought up. Those of us that understood where we were and what that meant skadoodled asap

 

[Kagnus]

I may need a lesson on gaming ethics, but I don't see this as a huge issue unless it is being exploited to gain advantage in regular game play, pvp or otherwise.

No lesson is needed, just follow the rules set forth in the ToS. It is not about ethics.

Seems like a hordie swimming in the air around shattrath is harmless. In fact if I saw that my reaction wouldn't be oh my I better report this guy, it would be how did he do that?

Yup, how did he do that is what I asked myself. My assumption was he was editing his packet stream between his WoW client and the server. If he was, editing the packet stream is very reportable. If he wasn't, and the GM could find no cause, then nothing would come of it.

I remember a time when you could run along side of walls, and could get to places that you otherwise couldn't that way. Was that an exploit deserving of disciplinary action? Seemed rather harmless then. Would the forgivens chosen site for guild photo be deemed an improper use of a terrain exploit? Just food for thought not everything needs to be taken so seriously.

Yup, and many people have had disciplinary action, even banned for repeated offenses, for exploiting terrain. And yes, during the photo we were in danger of receiving such action.

Playing this game is like participating in a sport. Generally, sports are for entertainment. Sports have rules. Football, soccer, tennis, baseball all things done for enjoyment. And usually, win or lose, everyone enjoys the participation . . . but only when everyone follows the rules.

Sure, you can break the rules, try and exploit an advantage to your favor, but you destroy the intent of playing the sport in the first place. And when a violation happens, you can either enforce it (follow the rules) or turn a blind eye to it. When you turn a blind eye to it, the immature mind uses that as validation that the violation can be repeated or pushes the scope of violations and commits new ones, often ones that have more of a detrimental impact.

I do not apologize for wanting to be in a game where the rules (the ToS) are enforced. And Blizzard is the kind of company that takes enforcing it's own rules seriously. Many here know the frustration of being in an online game environment where the rules are not enforced (things are not taken seriously)...it turns into chaos and becomes a waste of time and money.

Play this game like you would play your favorite sport where you expect everyone to follow the rules so that in the end everyone enjoys their choice of entertainment.

 

[Allanon]

As Azolas knows, a ToS provides a very board range regarding what Blizzard would call a problem. There is pile of grey area and the ToS allows them to call grey black or white as the need arises. So while one person might consider it an exploit, another might not. A recent example which I considered wrong was using the "auto unstuck" as a free hearth. When I contacted the GM, they told me "working as intended" then two weeks later, I see it as an item they just fixed. Even the GMs have no idea.

This basically leaves you to making a judgment call and for that, you inherit all the risks and benefits that comes from making the call. Others might have an issue with it, then they should not do it. While I wish not to get "spiritual" over such a simple topic, I do feel a scriptural principle is needed, if what you do causes your weaker brother to stumble over what you are doing, then don't do it as you would be sinning against God. (1 Corinthians 8:11-13)

 

[faust]

Wow, certainly didn't expect to start a debate by posting this.

No offense taken I can see your point. Personally I wouldn't report this sort of activity unless they were abusing it (for profiting or for attacking other players).

Overall I would have to say that aside from being able to attack things while "flying" in this way, you certainly couldn't go anywhere that someone with a flying mount couldn't go already. In fact, and I am not sure, you may need to have a flying mount for this bug to even take effect.

This is not to justify their actions though... just sharing some thoughts on the topic. Since this is an issue for others in the guild I know I won't bother looking into it further.

 

[Reason]

Not sure if this exploit/bug still works but I thought it was interesting just the same: How to Fly without a mount

I think a lot of people took this WAY to seriously. If anyone didn't want to see or read about an "exploit", don't click on the link. Simple as that. Why start a debate about it? I'm sure some people wanted to see it, maybe others didn't. No reason to exclude everyone though.

 

[Kagnus]

For those blessed with the ability to be discerning about how an action might affect them, yes it is a simple matter. But this guild is large, and has a large variety of people and some are not so savvy about how behaviors affect their account.

We recently had a guild member keylogged and his account was ransacked. There are numerous people in this guild where having their account keylogged would be very difficult, because they are savvy in how computers work. If another guildie knew someone was engaging in behavior that was risky and being keylogged was a real possiblity, should we not at least warn of the risky behavior?

At the very least as a member of this guild, I will speak up when I feel something may be harmful to another guildie's account. I feel using an in-game exploit is risky to one's account. If my opinion is to be ignored or disdained, so be it. Maybe I walk too much on the straight and narrow, but that is who I am. One of the blessings God gave us is he did not slap Adam and Eve on a Xerox machine. We are all here to lend our strengths to each other's weaknesses.

 

[Tinie]

I will always point out if folks are posting exploits on our boards for the less knowledgeable gamer to use unknowingly. I would hate folks to lose their account by doing something posted on our boards. Games have rules, just like life. I happen to enjoy following them and setting an example that is worthy of the faith in Jesus that I profess.

 

[faust]

I hesitate to write this, but let me just preface this by saying I don't want to come across as being contrary or confrontational. While I respect your opinions I would like to share my point of view... please just take it as that: another point of view.

I believe that the intent behind what you do is often times just as important as what you do. Or put another way, the same action by two persons with different intents behind their actions can be sin for one, and for the other ignorance.

If person A is aware that this exploit/bug is in violation of the rules, and in turn uses this to profit and/or hurt others playing a game, then this person is clearly sinning. If this person is a Christian, then they are not acting in a manner worthy of the faith in Jesus that they profess. This is also clearly grounds for punishment, and imo should be reported by all who witness it.

Edit: To strengthen my argument, I would also say that even if person A did not profit or hurt others, but knowingly broke the rules, he would still have sinned (though he would not have compounded his sin with other sins).

If person B did not think that using this exploit/bug would be a violation of the contract with Blizzard. This person does not profit or hurt anyone else in the process of using this exploit/bug, but perhaps uses it to simply humor him/herself for a period of time. This person could also be reported, and perhaps should be punished as an example to others if Blizzard rules that way. I would not, however, consider this a sin. I would not consider this an act unworthy of their faith in Jesus. I would consider this an ignorant act. However once this same person learns what the implications of using this exploit/bug are, they would be sinning and acting unworthely if they ever did it again.

The reason why I feel that this is true, is because the law being violated is not God's law, but man's. In the end the true measure of sin, that is falling short of the glory of God, is just that: violation of God's holy and perfect laws.

 

[Daire]

There has been a number of times where I have come out of bird form or switched into bird form and my toon has 'swam through the air'. Like, not only visible to me, but people near me. That has happened with no 'exploits'.


I have enjoyed climbing invisible ledges on the the mountains by ogrimmar and running through the city. I'm pretty sure if they really didnt want people doing that they would have fixed it by now, or getting under cities. anyway..cool to know, but yeah i probably wouldnt try to fly through the air without my mount on purpose.