Favorite Presidents...

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Who's yours...with a reason why if you want to...

Mine are;

Harry Truman - Simply because when two assassins attacked Blair House were he was staying...the Secret Service had to pull him of off the second assassin because Truman said he was going to stick the guys gun up his butt...:D

Ronald Reagan - No nonsense kind of guy, when the Iranians had the 2-3 Americans hostage, the day he became president they were released...basically because the Iranians knew the Reagan would screw them up...Carter however just hid in his office and tried to 'talk' the Iranians into letting them go. (Ted Nugent wrote a song about the hostages situation called Bound and Gagged)

Theodore Roosevelt - He was one tough son-of-a-gun got shoot and still gave a speech. When he died his friend said, "Death had to take him in his sleep, because if he was awake, he would have fought..." (or something to that effect)
 
Teddy Roosevelt because he was the last president to truly believe the federal government is not the answer to the world's problems. The next truly great president will be the one who restores the constitutional powers of the federal government and stops spending more money than they need to.
 
FDR: Some of his actions were a little sketchy (Stacking the Supreme Court, for instance) but overall he was a great president. He got things done and he managed to fix the problems that Hoover could not (Or rather, did not)

Reagan: Just about everything I read about him is good, from apologizing and reimbursing Japanese Americans from the WWII Concentration Camps to surviving an assassination attempt. There's more of course but I can't remember anything else atm.

Teddy: How can you dislike him?

Maybe I'd include more if I remembered anything about history.
 
I like George Washington and Teddy Roosevelt.
Kraniac, I cannot believe that you like Lincoln. The man was a criminal. He violated the Constitution and common law several times just to get what he wanted. And before you say 'he freed the slaves' or something like that, Lincoln didn't like Negroes. He was a bigot. He had planned to ship them all back to Africa but was killed before he got the chance.
Anyhoo...
*steps off soapbox*
 
yeah.... well George chopped down a cherry tree that wasn't his...oooooooohhhhhh SITDOWN ;) (j/k)
 
Snake_Six said:
I like George Washington and Teddy Roosevelt.
Kraniac, I cannot believe that you like Lincoln. The man was a criminal. He violated the Constitution and common law several times just to get what he wanted. And before you say 'he freed the slaves' or something like that, Lincoln didn't like Negroes. He was a bigot. He had planned to ship them all back to Africa but was killed before he got the chance.
Anyhoo...
*steps off soapbox*
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Those are some pretty tall claims, can you link some info to validate them?

As for my favorite presidents, I would have to say George Washington aand Ronald Reagan. All the others I simply haven't given enough thought to decide how much I like them.
 
Killerah said:
Yeah, never read that in my history books.
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There's a lot of stuff missing from history books. I'd even say most history books are pretty biased in one way or another.

About Lincoln, didn't he own slaves?
 
Why do I like Lincoln? It's obvious, really. His facial hair was Majestic.

On the racist question...

I don't believe he was a racist any more than what the faulty pseudo-science of the time (the same bigoted stew from whence came the eugenics movement in 1865) would have led him to believe. We now know that there are not, in fact, human races at all, at least by the biological/genetic definition.

If we consider Lincoln a racist, I think we'll also have to consider C.S. Lewis to be an evolutionist due to his semi-acceptance of Freudian psychoanalysis.

We like to turn our heroes into people who do no wrong, but I think in doing so we underestimate how hard it is not to believe just as you're taught. ;)

What is indisputable fact today will be obvious folly tomorrow.
 
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Instead of derailing this thread (which I'm afraid I've already done and I apologize for) I'm going to start a new thread on this topic.
 
Sigh, more tall claims by SS.

anyway, my favorite presidentZ:

Ronald Reagan: morally sound president and did great things for the country
Abe Lincoln: mostly to upset snake six but partly because those of us who believe the way SS doesn't: we believe he had great moral character.
Teddy Rosevelt: Who doesn't like a fella like TR??
George Washington: Obvious reasons
George W. Bush would probably be one of my favorites because I believe he does a good job he just needs to do the good job a little more quickly :p

FDR I don't like. He introduced socialist plans for the U.S. and I'm against socialism. Herbert Hoover mostly got a bad rap because he became president just in time for the Depression, and I think he did his best with the resources he had. JFK, mleh. I'm not one for democrats. Jimmy Carter, ugh. Don't gimme started on him. Clinton... ARGH!! I don't know if he was worse than Carter or not. Anyway, so thats my one and a half cents.
 
ChickenSoup said:
[...]George W. Bush would probably be one of my favorites because I believe he does a good job he just needs to do the good job a little more quickly :p [...]
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lol... hope that doesnt start a flame war. While i am not necessarily a democrat, i am not a republican either. I vote on the people running for president based on their beliefs, which, in my own opinion is the best way to vote. Bush has had good times and bad times, i do not think that he will be remembered quite like Teddy Roosevelt or Reagan.

I like Teddy Roosevelt because he set aside land for his people to enjoy... land like Yellow Stone National Forest. He made more national parks than any other president.
 
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Ulysses S. Grant was, in my opinion, the best President the U.S. ever had. While his administration was riddled with corruption, Grant's problem was that he trusted his friends above everyone else and was loyal to them regardlesss of what anyone else said. He was way more competant then most historians have given him credit for, especially in international relations. BTW, it was Grant who signed the bill that founded Yellowstone (not ole Teddy).

Generally, I think our last two presidents have done a great job of drawing public attention and blame for things that were either necessary or out of their hands. At this point in the American political process anything which is actually important that the President 'decides' has already been decided by people who are in a much better position to make that decision. Fortunately, a President can bear the brunt of the pressure that these decisions inevitably bring. The best thing is that the President is as easy a figurehead to support as to target, and term limits ensure that even their worst enemies know they'll be gone sone. There should never be a politically motivated assassination of a U.S. president by their opponents, because everyone knows that the replacement would be at least as "bad" and would have much more public support. On the other hand, if someone within a President's party wanted the party to become much stronger. . .

<-I'm going to stop now, because political science is boring for anybody who hasn't gone to school for it.
 
Probably Washington. Or FDR/Eisenhower (SP?). They lead us through WWII, definitly a hard thing to do.
 
Jango said:
Or FDR/Eisenhower (SP?). They lead us through WWII, definitly a hard thing to do.
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You mean FDR/Truman, right? Eisenhower was president well after WWII ended.
 
Generally, I think our last two presidents have done a great job of drawing public attention and blame for things that were either necessary or out of their hands.
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You don't REALLY mean Clinton, right? Please don't say what he did wasn't his fault...
 
Well, welfare reform, balancing the budget, and the great ecomonic steps our nation made weren't Clinton's fault, but he took quite a bit of credit for them. The middle-east situation's ups and downs weren't really his fault either, but he got a lot of credit for them. Eastern Europe was as troublesome as usual, and he got some credit/blame for those issues.

But if you're talking about all the issues that came up regarding Clinton's personal life I think they're mostly irrelevant to his actual legacy. On the other hand, those issues kept the public thinking about the President's personal life and a minor symbolic legal slap on the wrist instead of the many much more important (and questionable) things that were going on both domestically and abroad. It wasn't like he was any more or less of a man-whore during his 2nd term, but since he couldn't be re-elected and there was no situation where he'd actually be hurt in any important way by the proceedings it was in his (and everyone's) best interests that he be publicly villified by people who hated him anyways.
 
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