EPGP and you

[john3610]

This past few weeks we've gotten a few complaints about someone getting marks for t10.5 several weeks in a row. And I wanted to cover that. It is fair and part of how EPGP works. If someone chooses to save up their EPGP for something then they are entitled to spend it how they want.

If I were to want to save up for it and pass on other gear for the purpose of saving to get 4 marks then that is my choice. It's all about choices. If you want your marks for t10.5 then start saving for it.

If you save up your points and have a lot of them and I spend mine week after week then I cannot complain about it being unfair that you get marks more often than me. Just remember that. If you want those items save for them.

 

[Azami]

Just be glad my infinite EPGP isn't stealing your stuff.

 

[Angryson]

Is anyone doing the weekly EPGP decay?

 

[Flamethrøwer]

Is anyone doing the weekly EPGP decay?

I've been watering my EPGP twice a day, lightly in the morning, then a little more heavily in the evening. I keep it in partial shade and bring it inside when it gets over 85 degrees. So mine doesn't really decay, in fact, it's been growing about 10% each week.

 

[Fatkid]

pugs ftw! Go on pugs so u can have a chance @ rolling on tier tokens. I've seen Lara win one and I won one on my warrior, that's if the raid leader doesn't ninja them for himself or his buddies.

 

[Xymnas]

If we do 10 man heroic saurfang you get a token. And saurfang isn't to hard. Just got to make sure to get adds down fast cuz they will one shot people. And I think something else but I can't remember.

 

[Lisarayne]

I personally don't see how pugs are the answere. If we are all on raid nights then we could go farther in ICC, and that way getting more loot to go around. Once someone gets a piece, it's not like they'll roll on it a 2nd time.. The whole guild gets geared eventually and we all get EPGP getting there. Sure there are raiders like Flame and Azami who have a ton of EPGP but it's not like they can use alot of the gear there in the beginning. And it's got to go to someone, so show up and lets get some gear outta the 25 man! Don't worry about the loot because it will always drop again. It's only a few months until xpan anyways, so more than anything we should be wanting to down the LK on 25!!

 

[Flamethrøwer]

I personally don't see how pugs are the answere. If we are all on raid nights then we could go farther in ICC, and that way getting more loot to go around. Once someone gets a piece, it's not like they'll roll on it a 2nd time.. The whole guild gets geared eventually and we all get EPGP getting there. Sure there are raiders like Flame and Azami who have a ton of EPGP but it's not like they can use alot of the gear there in the beginning. And it's got to go to someone, so show up and lets get some gear outta the 25 man! Don't worry about the loot because it will always drop again. It's only a few months until xpan anyways, so more than anything we should be wanting to down the LK on 25!!

Good response Lisa - I was about to say just about the same thing! And the only reason I have a lot of EPGP is because there are literally zero upgrades left for me anywhere in ICC10 (unless we do some heroic modes). I got my last piece the other day (Unidentifiable Organ), and that was the only one I've needed for a long time. I just come along when I can to help other people get some gear and maybe get a shot at the LK.

The EPGP system works well - you put in the time and you'll get your gear. Tier pieces, being usable by ANY spec of several classes, are unique in that more people will want them, as opposed to a piece of gear that can only be used by tanks.

 

[bestbw]

Plus Redeemed raids won't fall apart after Saurfang like pugs are pretty much guaranteed to do. So more content = more bosses and drops = a more geared you!!

 

[Proudfoot]

Plus Redeemed raids won't fall apart after Saurfang like pugs are pretty much guaranteed to do. So more content = more bosses and drops = a more geared you!!

heh, last raid I was on we wiped on Fester a bunch and quit after a while. I'd love Redeemed to get further in 25 man, but we can't treat it like it's farm content and bring anyone. We still hit the enrage timer with a 30% buff...

 

[Goodwone]

we have a LOT of great players, we can go further in 25man but we need them to show up! Just remember TUES night is when we get the 25 man going, then Thur night is when we attempt a continuation. Two nights a week for great raiding!

here is our regular schedule:

TUES, 25man ICC
THUR, 25man ICC/ or 10mans
MON, Progression ICC
FRI, Open Raid Night, raid leaders choice

 

[Flamethrøwer]

Also I'm starting up a new guild event: Chain Gnomeregan instance runs with XP turned off. Starts promptly Saturday morning at 5.30am. Auto attack only.

 

[Where]

Plus Redeemed raids won't fall apart after Saurfang like pugs are pretty much guaranteed to do. So more content = more bosses and drops = a more geared you!!

Really? I have only been back 4 or 5 weeks but I have only been past saurfang in a 25m once or twice and the one Proudfoot mentioned where we hit the engrage timer(partly my fault admittedly, I was last in DPS because I am still a ret newb) and once other where we downed rotface and festergut. I have been past a few times in 10m but only downed festergut and rotface(even hard modes on both) and wiped on others. It honestly feels like Redeemed is happy to farm those bosses over and over. I have never seen a 25m continuation happen and only Vet runs continue 10m and that is probably due to attendance issues over the leaders trying to continue so I dunno what is up. I saw the attitude in 25m this week, we went through pretty fast and got to saurfang with an hour to spare in our normal raid times and people start dropping off left and right just like PUGs. I also think 3 wipes and we are done is a joke lol, Redeemed wiped 3 hours a night for 3 months on Domo before we got him down in MC but we did it, and we didnt have guild paying our repair bills or buying us flasks. And the night we did it we did it short handed and 1 shot him! Just gotta put our minds to it! Unfortunately with Cata so close I dont think the attitude is gonna be there especially now.

Also I think the issue with 10.5 tokens was people saying that you should have t10 before rolling on the token, and the same people can roll over and over on the token because it works for any piece. But as was said before, its their epgp if thats what they want to spend it on so be it, I know theres a few pieces I would want and have frosties for but im not buying t10 and downgrading to 251 until I get the token to make it a even swap 264-264 gear with better stat allocation and set bonuses.

Anyway not bagging on leadership or anything just stating some opinions and observations from my short time back in the game and praying for a more focused mindset from the guild as a whole, we could be downing LK with regularity if we all put our minds to it!

 

[Flamethrøwer]

Yeah, it's kind of out of our control as to who shows up. 25m continuations are impossible without 25 people. I'd love to get farther in 25m, we just can't get the people online.

People getting "tired" and leaving early for whatever reason is irritating too. I know that several times we've raided for two out of the three hours, and people just start dropping the raid. This didn't used to be tolerated...

 

[bestbw]

Hey Where, is there anything you'd like to get off your chest?

 

[Goodwone]

Really? I have only been back 4 or 5 weeks but I have only been past saurfang in a 25m once or twice and the one Proudfoot mentioned where we hit the engrage timer(partly my fault admittedly, I was last in DPS because I am still a ret newb) and once other where we downed rotface and festergut. I have been past a few times in 10m but only downed festergut and rotface(even hard modes on both) and wiped on others. It honestly feels like Redeemed is happy to farm those bosses over and over. I have never seen a 25m continuation happen and only Vet runs continue 10m and that is probably due to attendance issues over the leaders trying to continue so I dunno what is up. I saw the attitude in 25m this week, we went through pretty fast and got to saurfang with an hour to spare in our normal raid times and people start dropping off left and right just like PUGs. I also think 3 wipes and we are done is a joke lol, Redeemed wiped 3 hours a night for 3 months on Domo before we got him down in MC but we did it, and we didnt have guild paying our repair bills or buying us flasks. And the night we did it we did it short handed and 1 shot him! Just gotta put our minds to it! Unfortunately with Cata so close I dont think the attitude is gonna be there especially now.

Also I think the issue with 10.5 tokens was people saying that you should have t10 before rolling on the token, and the same people can roll over and over on the token because it works for any piece. But as was said before, its their epgp if thats what they want to spend it on so be it, I know theres a few pieces I would want and have frosties for but im not buying t10 and downgrading to 251 until I get the token to make it a even swap 264-264 gear with better stat allocation and set bonuses.

Anyway not bagging on leadership or anything just stating some opinions and observations from my short time back in the game and praying for a more focused mindset from the guild as a whole, we could be downing LK with regularity if we all put our minds to it!

one thing your missing Where, you just got back, and people have been running this content for what seems to them forever. most are ready for cat, they are just tired of this old content, which is new to you, but old to them so they are just not showing up to raid which makes it had to get continuations going. meh, hang in there, Cat will be great!

 

[jokitaylor]

I was once kicked out of an all you can eat buffet on Taco Night

 

[Mordos]

one thing your missing Where, you just got back, and people have been running this content for what seems to them forever. most are ready for cat, they are just tired of this old content, which is new to you, but old to them so they are just not showing up to raid which makes it had to get continuations going. meh, hang in there, Cat will be great!

How does that have anything to do with what where was saying?

I was there the night Redeemed dropped Fester and Rot for the first time and I can't think of Redeemed getting any further in 25 man... So what I am wondering is why do we as Redeemed continue to push on the same content when we can get a lot of people on new stuff that they may have never seen in 10 man... a lot of people have never seen all of ICC or even heroics. So why not start 2 10mans in stead of running 25mans when there are only 21 people in the raid? Makes sense... then you would have more nights to continue those raids and push to LK.

Come Cata there will never be a need fot Redeemed to ever run 25man, we could start now in prep for the new expansion on how Raiding will be.

Just the thoughts from the peanuht gallery.

On another note, I still think the "Better man" loot system should be looked at. shamless plug

 

[Goodwone]

Mordos:How does that have anything to do with what where was saying?

I was there the night Redeemed dropped Fester and Rot for the first time and I can't think of Redeemed getting any further in 25 man... So what I am wondering is why do we as Redeemed continue to push on the same content when we can get a lot of people on new stuff that they may have never seen in 10 man... a lot of people have never seen all of ICC or even heroics. So why not start 2 10mans in stead of running 25mans when there are only 21 people in the raid? Makes sense... then you would have more nights to continue those raids and push to LK.

Come Cata there will never be a need fot Redeemed to ever run 25man, we could start now in prep for the new expansion on how Raiding will be

hey peanuht

1. we had been still gearing a lot of returning players up lately, and 25man icc was a great place to do that. we have tried to continue it, but again people need to show up, but the gearing runs are best done with the first wing if you have returning players coming back which we have had a lot of lately and also the tokens drop in the first wing for the sanctification upgrades. also, having a 25man run is not just about the raiding, its one time when we all gather together and fellowship, its a great time for all. we do it to be supportive and to enjoy the fellowship with everyone which is always way worth it. i'd love to be clearing all the wings on 25man too. But, I think were open to starting a few 10mans instead on Tues and certainly if we are short for a 25man.

2. we do a lot of ten mans, and have done a lot of continuations and again, folks need to show up. seems the 10 man runs have been happening a lot on Thur, with continuations finishing up through the weekend and monday....when people show up. if they come, we will run, and run the entire icc through, thats what the officers want and have wanted. lately when we pull 10man continuations back together, we have mixed saves which means those that got saved to the first 10man are not showing up for their continations. come, and we will run! also, would love to do more heroics but need players to show up. Last Wed night, we had a 10man ICC that cleared all the way to the LK, and its extended and we need to get back in and kill the LK, whose game?

honestly, the way they set up ICC is pretty bad, I liked the Naxx set up better where we didn't have to clear a wing before we could do another, you go just go to the wing you wanted, would love to see that kind of set up more and ban the current ICC setup.....I can definitely see where some of our returning players are frustrated with it.

 

[Lisarayne]

It's pretty normal for people to show up the first night of raiding to run the easy bosses, get loot and log. Of course to get further would involve working hard and wipes and honestly this close to BETA I don't see people wanting to put forth the effort. When I joined the guild I knew there were very few upgrades for me in the content the guild was running, since joining I have gotten 1 piece and thats my cloth legs (I love em) But I show up even for raids I know I won't get loot for, i'm getting EPGP and being part of a team I care about. That's the raider in me, and since we aren't a raiding guild I know I can't expect that from everyone. With that said I have to agree with Mordos... I think this close to xpan that 10 mans are the way to go.. just gotta be careful who are saved to which groups so we don't end up with a group with 4 potential tanks when the 2nd group ends up with none that log on. Hope i'm making sense, lol.