nattyg
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/sigh
is there a reason we feel the need to try to skirt the system and cheat them out of money?
different versions of Vista?
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is there a reason we feel the need to try to skirt the system and cheat them out of money?
Hescominsoon
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Ms condones the practice./ MOst of their income is from the OEM and grey market(aka oem copies transferred between machines). Before you get all depressed over this remember they have left the upgrade hole in vista..have pubically acknowledged it..and have said they aren't going to fix it. nough said.
nattyg
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Please see CERT
183 for Vista
http://search.us-cert.gov/search?q=...heet=default_frontend&site=default_collection
974 for OS/X
http://search.us-cert.gov/search?q=...heet=default_frontend&site=default_collection
I guess if you're going back to the old argument of when it started, possibly. Then again, Apple stole it from Xerox...so... I can't really argue with a company that took how many years to concede to a 2 button mouse? kek!
I don't click anymore...I type to get to stuff...it's much faster, plus it's integrated with the desktop search...that's a significant improvement
? please elaborate...system imaging isn't a part of XP, so not sure how it's in there. i could be mistaken. Just to be clear (from the next quote) ...system imaging != System Restore - those are two very different things. Imaging is like Ghost, Arconis, etc...
It keeps differences of your file so you can go back and pull up a different version of it at any time. So...if I wanted to see the same file from say...a week ago, or three changes ago, I can.
Yes...I can watch protected digital content on Vista, i.e. Encrypted QAM, e.g. HBO-HD... and actually a lot of our regular digital channels here are encrypted for some reason. The only *nix application that is certified to run a Cable Card is Tivo S3. In other words, you can plug your cable straight into a Vista PC and get all of the content your cable provider can give you.
DX10 isn't related to framerates...it has to do with the capabilities of the graphics subsystem and the level of detail.
Check this out:
http://www.gamesforwindows.com/en-US/AboutGFW/Pages/DirectX10.aspx
I'll take pictures of mine
it doesn't suck. Cyberlink's software is the worst multi-media setup 
Yep...mine too...and admittedly, I take a little bit of personal offense to MS getting bashed, so I'm always more than happy to clarify matters
XionTawa
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I just sit in between, I do not hate MS, and I do not love Apple, I just don't like windows...except for the complete point and click environment...
nattyg
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I'd love a link to an article referencing this - particularly if it outlines the settlement.
Really? The only problem I ever had with Vista was bad video drivers when I plunked down an inordinate amount for an 8800GTX as soon as they were released and it took NVidia somewhere on the order of 6 months to get a stable driver out that enabled all of the more important features on the card all the while being incredibly *un*apologetic.
I really find the claims of unstability to be pretty much completely unfounded. The typical reasons a Windows system crashes or has problems are:
1.) User error (the average home user installed something they shouldn't have)
2.) User error (the network admin who thinks managing windows is point and click, therefore anyone can do it manages to royally mess up your machine)
3.) Driver error - vendor provides bad stuff, not much you can do about that
4.) Hardware failure - no way to recover from that
Maybe in the old win98 ...and possibly NT4 days, this was a much different story, but I have yet to see a blue screen related to anything other than the aforementioned list since XP came out at least, and I never had any problems with Win2k either. Then again, that's my personal experience and all I do is play games and write software and run a rack of servers in my home (need to heat up the house during those coooool az summers!)
nattyg
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http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/technologies/management/powershell/default.mspx
in the event point and click gets boring
nattyg
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Hrrmm...I deal with significant licensing on at least a monthly basis...this isn't condoned. Further, money isn't made on transferring software that's already been purchased from machine to machine, that cuts out of license sales. Such "sales" also typically have carrythrough of Office products which is a *significant* money maker, and again, they wouldn't be recognizing the revenue in that case since the licenses are effectively being split in half.
I have every right to take what you're doing personally since it indirectly (although not very) effects the company I work at...and the company that has an ownership stake in us (and provides business to us) - quite directly in that case.
Fundamentally, I can't fathom how someone can read what's clearly intended and stated in the licensing agreement and try to circumvent it for personal gain. That's tantamount to saying if Ft. Knox left the front gates open accidentally, it's okay to walk in and take a few gold bars. *That* is what has me sad.
Lesson learned...stick to my own gaming forums.
vibrokatana
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That is comparing a product that has been out for several years compared to something that was just released. Vista's numbers are much more discouraging IMO because it ALREADY has so many flaws.
DX10 isn't really that great of a jump, the most important being the ability to write longer and more complex fragment programs. But that has nothing really to do with DX10 as it is all hardware and OpenGL is perfectly capable of it.
Odale
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Well said.
Vista still sucks.
Hescominsoon
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OSX has been doing everything vista is now doing..but for over 5 years..on intergrated graphics. With vista you need a gaming card of some fashion to have a prayer of doing aero..and even then it can't hold a candle to what osx can do. Linux can do everything both of the above can do on 7-10 year old hardware AND do more. MS isn't a leader..they are a follower. This has been shown over and over again.
Let's take a quick look at hte codebases. Apple:
OSX is bsd based and is a total from scratch version of their System OS. There is no backwards compatibility to OS9. This had led to an easier transistion to OSX and has also spurred MS to actually come out with a desktop that's markedly different than the first win95 desktop that's over a decade old. It performs well on "sub-standard" hardware and has more actually useful features than vista(or xp for that matter). Stability is not an issue and there's no mundane defragmentation needed to just keep the system running.
Vista: Based on the NT codebase that is 20 years old. The current vista is based off server 2k3 which is based off server 2k which is based off nt4 which is based off nt 3.5..etc. Backwards compatibility leads to many system slowdowns, instability, and a horror called hte registry. Further issues are the activex controls which allow java like applications kernel level access to the system. Wile this avenue has been patched many times it is still one of the most exploited facets of windows due to it's bad design. disk fragmentation is a huge issue and spyware and virii(due to IE being kernel level integrated) are major concerns.
that's just the ip of the iceberg. It goes much deeper. there's a further issue with vista and that is the DRM built into every facet of the system:
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Hescominsoon
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I also deal with significant licensing. Maybe your ms rep doesn't condone it but trust me MS is not sending the BSA after folks moving OEM copies form one machine to the other. They are after the outfits that don't provide a COA at all or hand out cracked vistas and xps.
nattyg
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I've read this several times before...and the only two points I find relevant to my own computing experience are:
1.) Build a machine perfectly capable of HDCP on your own.
2.) The only time DRM becomes inconvenient is when you deal with CableCards, in which case you're required to purchase a mobo (ok...a system...which in turn you're only actually buying for the flashed mobo) and an OCUR enabled version of Vista to use the cards and accordingly view encrypted QAM traffic. My system does that just fine
Perfect HD TV, HD DVD and Blu Ray quality on 19x12.As to the *need* for HDCP...there is none. MS should've stood up to the studios. It's a tad ridiculous that CableCard tuners aren't useful except through OEM machines which not but a few months ago were around 4-5k...to start...without the tuners...and with inferior hardware. Now you can at least purchase one in the 13-1500 range and transplant it to get it going in a real home theatre scenario.
All that aside, I don't have a problem with DRM or copy protection in general...as long as *I* can copy it for personal use. Of course, there are no legal ways to do this...unless of course you venture to software companies operating outside the bounds of the US <not mentioning any names>. My only complaint is fair use, or lack thereof.
Given that...I will neither confirm, nor deny, the presence or count of any DVDs ripped and stored on my network
...but if they were to exist, at least I have "hard copies" of them
nattyg
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Well said.
Vista still sucks.
I don't listen to gnome haters.
vibrokatana
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2.) The only time DRM becomes inconvenient is when you deal with CableCards, in which case you're required to purchase a mobo (ok...a system...which in turn you're only actually buying for the flashed mobo) and an OCUR enabled version of Vista to use the cards and accordingly view encrypted QAM traffic. My system does that just fine
Yes, but vista (and xp to some degree) have DRM built in such that it effects ANY video you play. So much so that good machines actually experience a severe frame rate drop when playing videos in vista. Microsoft doesn't care about the consumer, they will throw as much DRM as asked for as long as money is being forked at them.
nattyg
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Really haven't experienced that being a problem at all. Like I said, all HD content - TV and DVDs, as well as ripped media...plays flawlessly. The only issue I had was getting the cablecards set up.
vibrokatana
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Yes but you have a high end rig, most vista machines being brought probably are on the lower end toward the minimum requirements of the OS. I run linux and have no issues playing dvd, hd content or via my cable tuner (I don't have digital cable or equivalent so I don't care about cable card atm). The problem is that video playback in vista requires up to and beyond 2x the cpu power of equivalent platforms due to the integrated drm burden.
|CoR|Braveheart
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I have one thing to say: i remember when my family all used one big ugly gray CRT, 1.2 Ghz hp PC with windows 98 and dial up. and when we heard about Windows XP we thought it was so stupid, and there was no need to pay that much, and every one hated it because it didn't work with that generation of PC's. yet here we are all using XP. and what i am trying to get at is at some point in the very near future we will all have to adapt to the future and get Vista...it just happens.