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Atown

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ok i had a conversation with a guy in-game from the guild and i made the comment that casting crowns was like a soft version of linkin park and they disagreed greatly, and here is the way i see. and i come from the position that i dont like Christian music mostly because its just Christian themed and has little or no relevance to God. dont disagree or flame me please for this because i love "Christian Worship" music, but please consider the following

http://www.l337-coffee.com/music
 
ok i had a conversation with a guy in-game from the guild and i made the comment that casting crowns was like a soft version of linkin park and they disagreed greatly, and here is the way i see. and i come from the position that i dont like Christian music mostly because its just Christian themed and has little or no relevance to God. dont disagree or flame me please for this because i love "Christian Worship" music, but please consider the following

http://www.l337-coffee.com/music

Heres the difference.
Think about what linkin park is singing about then look at what casting crowns is singing about. CC is singing about God, the only thing thats REALLY worth song (besides love).
While linkin park is singing about physical, earthly stuff.
 
Casting crowns is a contemporary worship band that sings about uplifting things. Linkin Park is a rock/synth band that sings about why life sucks or how they messed up. Look up info on Linkin Park's Chester, then you'll see why they sing the songs that they do.
 
meh, i've had tons of discussions between people of music. I've heard theories as far as :

"If it sounds like the world, it IS the world" (justifying how all Christians should only sing hymns )

"It isn't the motive behind the writer, yet the motive behind the listener." (justifying that non-christian music is ok, because with our own perspective; different words can mean different things)

I don't feel like explaining all the major views i've heard, yet this is what " I " say.

If what you are listening to goes against your own conviction, get rid of it. Constantly analyze your own conviction. Constantly watch the outcome of what you watch and listen to.

From personal experience, i've gotten (what people like to call) a "word from the Lord" from a Non-Christian source; yet it only came with my own conviction and God speaking to me.

The one thing i would say to Atown is:
Despite that Christian music is only God themed, the cool thing about it is, we can usually lower our guard a little with listening to Christian music. Christian music (to me) comes with security, that no "unclean" spirit is attached to what i am listening to.
I still listen to non-Christian music, yet i will ALWAYS have my guard up when listening. I will ALWAYS be watchful of what is said, meant, and implied.
 
The nice difference is being able to listen to decent music without getting the f bomb every 6 seconds and talking derogatory about everyone and their brother.

That said I tend to just buy what I like. I regularly buy from the "smaller" bands.
 
Casting crowns is a contemporary worship band that sings about uplifting things. Linkin Park is a rock/synth band that sings about why life sucks or how they messed up. Look up info on Linkin Park's Chester, then you'll see why they sing the songs that they do.

casting crowns imo sounds like their singing about how life would be so much better if God guided them every second of the day without a trial or 2. and actually i get more depressed listening to CC than i do linkin park. 2 reasons for that are CC cant sing and 2nd their lyrics are pathetic. they make it sound like a sin to be an american. a good example of this is the movie RV with robin williams, where noone appreciates his efforts to provide the best for his family. and yes glitch i am talking about christian music


Heres the difference.
Think about what linkin park is singing about then look at what casting crowns is singing about. CC is singing about God, the only thing thats REALLY worth song (besides love).
While linkin park is singing about physical, earthly stuff.

and like i said before "its just Christian themed and has little or no relevance to God"
 
on this point. I must agree with Atown.

If i'm looking for great spiritual speaking or meaning, i can find that in Christian Worship. Yet if i want to listen to music... i will listen to music. I won't leave my comfort zone or go past my own convictions by listening to music with cussing in it, yet i won't force myself to ONLY listen to Christian music.

YET then again.

My favorite bands are the ones that do 2 things. They are as follows :

1. Sound good. - of course the band has to sound good. The music mixes well... good beat, etc. you understand what i mean by "sound good".

AND

(and that is a BIG AND)

2. The lyrics are "poetic". - from music is where i get most of my poetry (for modern day). If a band sounds good yet their lyrics are non-sense... i find teh band to be weak. The "yet then again" part was because, one of my favorite bands is a Christian Punk / rock band called "Pillar". The cool thing i love about pillar is that, despite they sound AMAZING... they also put interesting lyrics into their music. Their lyrics are so... well thought out and meaningful, i can get to the point to worshiping and razing my hands. ... and yes, i will raise my hands to some screamo music... i find nothing wrong with that.
 
on this point. I must agree with Atown.

If i'm looking for great spiritual speaking or meaning, i can find that in Christian Worship. Yet if i want to listen to music... i will listen to music. I won't leave my comfort zone or go past my own convictions by listening to music with cussing in it, yet i won't force myself to ONLY listen to Christian music.

YET then again.

My favorite bands are the ones that do 2 things. They are as follows :

1. Sound good. - of course the band has to sound good. The music mixes well... good beat, etc. you understand what i mean by "sound good".

AND

(and that is a BIG AND)

2. The lyrics are "poetic". - from music is where i get most of my poetry (for modern day). If a band sounds good yet their lyrics are non-sense... i find teh band to be weak. The "yet then again" part was because, one of my favorite bands is a Christian Punk / rock band called "Pillar". The cool thing i love about pillar is that, despite they sound AMAZING... they also put interesting lyrics into their music. Their lyrics are so... well thought out and meaningful, i can get to the point to worshiping and razing my hands. ... and yes, i will raise my hands to some screamo music... i find nothing wrong with that.

thats why i prefer country music mostly. a few songs here and there i will change the channel for, but %50 of the time the songs are talking about God. and theres poetry and they sound good. also epic rock sounds good and is poetic. yet i get made fun of either for it being country, or being a nerdy kid for listening to fantasy style epic rock....
 
CC is singing about God, the only thing thats REALLY worth song (besides love).

Come on, there's more worth singing than just God and love. I mean, it's a great thing to sing about God and all, but it's just dandy to sing about other things too.
 
Come on, there's more worth singing than just God and love. I mean, it's a great thing to sing about God and all, but it's just dandy to sing about other things too.
Sure, but compared to God all those other topics seem very bland. I have listened to all kinds of music but only own 4 songs that are not 'Christian'. I can enjoy other songs, they have their place, but they grow old very soon. Songs about God mean so much more to me and after 100 times i can hear it and it can mean something new to me. Like i said, sure other songs have their place, but they can't compare.
 
I disagree--the concept is good, but if you don't enjoy the style of music or the singer's voice (like I can't stand big daddy weave or newsboys) than THAT music seems bland.

I have listened to all kinds of music but only own 4 songs that are not 'Christian'. I can enjoy other songs, they have their place, but they grow old very soon.

Not for me. Music is music, IMO, and if it has a good tune I don't mind listening to it a lot. In fact, a lot of secular music is just better than a lot of CCM in terms of the actual music.
 
Come on, there's more worth singing than just God and love. I mean, it's a great thing to sing about God and all, but it's just dandy to sing about other things too.

Like sex and drugs right?



and atown, Im with you, if i notice that a song of mine has a swear or you can clearly tell that they are singing vulgar, i delete the song. But if it is say, a song about a car... then i see no reason to delete it
 
When it comes to music......what's good is good, and what's bad is bad. End of story. End of discussion. If it hurts your relationship with God, or causes a brother to stumble.....don't do it. Otherwise......rock on!

That random song about a car may just be the ice breaker into a conversation with someone....you never know.
 
That random song about a car may just be the ice breaker into a conversation with someone....you never know.

Totally.
But what I'm saying is, It's not real good example as a christian to be listening to fall out boy or greenday, especialy when they cuss.
Also, I didnt know the link was bad...he he. :D
 
i think this is more of an "eye of the beholder" kind of thing. I know for me God speaks to me through music. So natually i want to be closer to God and i love it when i can hear him and freely worship so i only listen to Christian Music.

As for the Casting Crowns issue, i dont think that they are all about
how life would be so much better if God guided them every second of the day without a trial or 2.
that. I think that they are critizing the present day church for not living up to the standards that our forefather put us up too. Also wouldnt it be great to live without trials and haveing God guide us?

2 reasons for that are CC cant sing and 2nd their lyrics are pathetic. they make it sound like a sin to be an american.
I love Casting Crowns and so do millions of other people around the world. So saying they cant sing is all "eye of the beholder" cause if they couldnt sing then they wouldnt be so popular. Also saying that they sing about being American is a sin is all how you interrperate their lyrics.

Again i think this is a huge contraversial topic. What ever works for yourself is great. But whats better is what works for you and God. Like someone said before me, if it hurts your relationship with Christ then its bad and to stop it. Thats what he tells us to do anyway.


~Stc
 
casting crowns imo sounds like their singing about how life would be so much better if God guided them every second of the day without a trial or 2
I don't get that from the music.

For instance, "Praise You in the Storm" starts like this:

I was sure by now
That You would have reached down
And wiped our tears away
Stepped in and saved the day
But once again, I say "Amen", and it's still raining

And ends like this:

As the thunder rolls
I barely hear You whisper through the rain
"I'm with you"
And as Your mercy falls
I raise my hands and praise the God who gives
And takes away

I lift my eyes unto the hills
Where does my help come from?
My help comes from the Lord
The Maker of Heaven and Earth

It's not un-Biblical, and it's realistic. We suffer, we wish we didn't have to, and we strive to praise God anyway; He is our strength to bring us through anything. Of course we don't want to suffer; even Jesus didn't want to suffer. (Though He decided we were worth it.)

they make it sound like a sin to be an american.
Apparently I've missed this. Can you explain?


And why is it only "Christian themed" if the whole point of many of their songs--and songs by many Christian bands--is how we relate to God, how we need to relate to God, and how we should relate to the world as God's people? Why is that a bad thing? The rest of the world sings about how they relate to the world, which often involves sex, drugs, lots of alcohol, materialism, and violence. They sing about how they relate to their god, which is often one of the above. That's better?

I'm not opposed to all non-Christian music; some of it is atrocious lyrically, which I believe should be avoided because of its corruptive influence (among other reasons). Other non-Christian music is not opposed to Christian morals or principles, even if it isn't specifically Christian.

An example: I love some of Abba's stuff, but they do have songs I don't listen to. But Dancing Queen is one of my absolute faves, and the lyrics aren't opposed to Christian morals (unless you believe dancing is inherently sinful). They are, in fact, totally unrelated to any particular religion: She's seventeen, it's Friday night, and she loves to dance. In fact, she looks for lots of chances to dance. She's the dancing queen. Again, unless you believe dancing itself is wrong, the lyrics are in the clear.

I even dance to Middle Eastern music...but we always check a translation to make sure the lyrics are okay first. After all, we wouldn't want to dance to a call to prayer (which is often some very pretty music) or any inappropriate lyrics. Our last song (tonight's show) went something like this: I dream of you every night, you are my heart's joy, my life is joyful as long as I'm with you. (Summarized, of course.) Totally unspecific as to religion or morality.

Christian music isn't the only music that's okay. And it shouldn't be given a free pass just because it's Christian. But there's a lot of really good Christian music out there, both worship and otherwise.
 
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