Christian Guilds

[Odale]

Bowser i know we talked for an hour or so about HIS once when i was leveling in Tanaris. But keep in mind bro that you also left the guild on Tebran. When i found out that you left... that the guild founder left, i felt as if that was the end of Redeemed. The people on Emerald Dream are always going to be your friends, and we welcome you there. Anytime.

 

[Bowser]

Odale, you are a very interesting friend to have.. I feel blessed for having known you

 

[CGamer]

I just wanted to post my thoughts on this topic. I personally haven't made the guild meetings on Wednesday because I'm at church during those times. Personally I've never felt shunned or unappreciated during my time in Redeemed. I've never had trouble finding people to group with or help out. In saying that there are a lot of people in Redeemed I've never played with not because I didn't want to or was shunning them, but because there are A LOT of people in Redeemed and its hard to play with everyone. Just to see the number of people next time you log on type /ginfo
The result is 200+ members w/ over 90 accounts. For instance its hard to keep up with everyones alt characters. Just picking on you Bowser but I didn't realize until later that Writhan was Tebran and vice versa. If I've ever made anyone feel negected or shunned I apologize for it. Here's a list of my characters alts included.

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Alhana(60 Priest) - Gnimish(35 Mage) - Theros(12 Pally) - Gnosh(1 Warlock) - Redforn(1 Hunter)
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[Odale]

Odale, you are a very interesting friend to have.. I feel blessed for having known you

Well i am a very intresting person IRL, too. I didnt mean for that post to undermine your post, but i didnt want HIS and its members to be a direct target either (since alot of them have been my friends for many years now!) Please dont take it to heart, but i did get very discouraged when you left the guild Bowser, it felt as if the captain had left his ship. I want to transfer some of my chars to Emerald Dream if they offer it. I gave many ideas to many of Redeemed leaders about 5 months ago when we had the "Emergency Meeting". I have to say that almost none of those ideas were tested... one was the different ranking system. I got tired of insisting to Bannard to do things differently. I do feel different about him now however, now that i have talked to people that know him better than i did then. Bannard tried his best at running the guild and tried his best not to step on anyone's feet, but soon ran out of steam. I think he did a wonderful job at trying not to offend anyone. I am also glad that Redeemed is finally changing... 5 months later and minus one guild leader however (that i am sad about ). But this change is better for the whole of the guild.

And for the record... I play Emerald Dream AND Stonemaul...

Edit!

Wow Kraniac's vocabulary is HUGE! <continues to look in dictionary... >

 

[jazmina]

that is very true you are very interesting odale

 

[jazmina]

I wasn't going to bother responding to this post any more but I to would like to see things worked out. So I will respond to this one last post and hope from here on out to be contacted in person regarding questions about HIS or me.

For one, I'd like to say that I'm very upset with all my friends leaving to join another guild on Emerald Dream. I miss you guys, I really really do, so it's not easy to see the friends that I have spent hours in prayer for leave me. Another thing I'm upset with is this; if you see a problem in Redeemed then you address it. You don't simply leave. You work your tails off to better the guild that you supposedly love.

I'm sorry if you have been away to much to realize that many of us have been addressing ongoing problems since before our May meeting. And have been doing everything within our power for 5 months to resolve them. I have done everything that was in my power only to have my ideas and offers disregarded along with others. So I finally decided to do what I felt needed to be done on my own.

and so I've learned that a lot of the responsibilities rest on the member's shoulders, who I feel should be lead to volunteer in the guild, instead of waiting to be asked.

I didnt wait to be asked..I offered on more then 1 occasion to assist with leadership and ideas only to be overlooked and diregarded. Many other peopel also have volunteeered to assist with leadership and ideas only to have them be disregarded also.

I was very disappointed when I heard that a new guild was forming on Emerald Dream. Not because I don't promote spreading Christianity, but because I felt my friends were leaving me. In fact, some of you who have joined the guild on Emerald Dream have even left our guild on Stonemaul. That really hurts me guys. I'm not sure I can express how much pain I felt when I noticed that Deborrah, Bledie, Tenacity, Boazz, Landron, Olgan, and many, many other of whom had become my close friends not logging on after many days after HIS was created.

Perhaps it would have been less disappointing for you if we had stopped playing wow all together to only stop in for an occasional hello or even rather go along with the more accepted method of leaving redeemed for larger more power gaming non-christian guilds like many of our members have in the recent past. I cant count on just 1 hand how many ex-guild members i have seen running about with new guild names over their head who don't even take the time to stop and say hello to the ex-guildies who spent hours getting them to that point. And when they give their goodbye, if they bother to say goodbye, we wish them God's blessing and offer them to group with us whenever they want. I haven't seen to many posts or heard rumors of people being angry with them over leaving us for these type of guillds but yet when a sister guild is formed by members wishing to still have christian fellowship on a server more to their style it causes a big rukkus. None of us planned to leave redeemed when we created HIS and most of us have not. Although with all the nonsense since HIS was created many of us are seriously considering transfering our characters when transfering becomes open.
As for us not logging into Stonemaul I guess you also have been one of the overly busy ones to notice when someone says hi in guild chat. I myself have logged in at least 3-4 times a week to Stonemaul since HIS started. Unfortunantly when I have, the guild listing shows that members are busy in mc raids and other instances with other guilds. I know Odale has played stonemaul regularly and so has Boazz. So perhaps you have missed their hellos also. As for Bledie he had enough of being ignored even by people he spent hours with helping to level or assisted on raids without even rolling on anything for himself so others could be blessed. Not to mention being hassled by the aggressive players on the pvp server who cared only for loot. But even he has logged in a few times to say hello for what good its done.

I've also felt I've been lied to. I was told HIS was just a "vacation" server, for people to go to and relax, and to just get a break from the PVP on Stonemaul. Wow. It really hurt when I saw that this "vacation" server had its own website (using another webhost btw), its own forums (which were also separate from ToJ), and that I hadn't seen my friends who I had mentioned above in that time since it was created, Deborrah included. Did you know that no one told me about any of this business about HIS? I only found out about it on the forums. I mean, not only were my close friends and fellow Christians moving, it felt like they were abandoning me. I really thought I had more of an impact on my friends than that. I thought they would at least message me and talk with me about it, or at least tell me about this new guild on Emerald Dream.

I have NEVER lied to you. I may have used the description of "vacation type server" when we were discussing creating the guild because that is what I want it to be for those that want it. My original intention personally was to play for fun on Emerald Dream and to do raids and pvp with redeemed. The guild would be a place for those that wanted to stop in and hang out for an hour or 2 or even a week or two or however they want. If people choose to make HIS their main guild that is their choice. No one is required to leave Redeemed in order to join HIS. Everyone from redeemed is welcome there.
Before the guild was formed there was a poll as to wether people were interested in starting a guild there or not and anyone who has been reading the forums has been werll aware of every step mad ein HIS. Unfortunantly for 5 months the forums have been our only form of guild-wide communication so pretty much anything anyone learns about the guild comes from reading the forums.
I created our own website when I was made to feel all our chitchat about Emerald Dream wasnt really wanted on redeemed forums. But rather then make anyone feel excluded from HIS info I have still done much of our posting in the forums anyway for the sake of those that do play both. I have already explained my reasons for not having it in toj so I will not go through it again. I am still willing to do the work of moving it to TOJ if thats what everyone in the guild wants and if someone is willing to provide me with the help and info needed to do it.
As for me not discussing it with you as "friends" should, It is very difficult to discuss anything out of game with a "friend" who blocks you from seeing their online availability on the IM. Especially one who has not even spoken to me in months. But I want you to know that I to am also hurt by the fact that as a "friend" you could not come to me and tell me personally that you were angry with me but rather talked about me to other guild members. If someone has a problem with me or with what I do, I would respect them more if they came to me and addressed it rather then me having to hear that someone who hasnt talked to me in months is angry with me and has spoken to others about me. As for seeking your permission about starting a new guild I have tried that once before. At first you were resistant to it and then only agreed as long as you hand picked who would lead it.
I was reluctant to make this guild at first as I didnt want to be the cause of division but I was assured by others that there has been a strong amount of division for a very long time and it has nothing to do with me. If there were not others who wanted to play on the new server and still be able to have christian fellowship I wouldnt have bothered. But in fact there are and I stand by my actions in forming HIS. It is a wonderful guild full of wonderful people who enjoy just having fun and spending time with one another on a server that is much more mature and supportive of our playstyles.
I know my tone may sound harsh and I ask you to forgive me for that. I do not seek to hurt and offend but rather clearly lay things out on the table to be resolved in a Godly manner. (not to mention I am extremely tired and have had to redo the entire post as it got wiped on preview)
I love everyone in Redeemed and I respect their playstyles even if mine may not be the same. I just ask that those who choose to play His be given the same respect and love.

 

[kraniac]

Quite a novel this thread has become. I hope that this discussion is resolving misunderstandings, and I hope that any hurt feelings that have been left unspoken are finally being worked out. I have faith that we can reunite.

 

[Avesther]

I remember in the counterstrike chapter, some people broke off to start competition teams. This hurt the staffs efforts in starting a competition team. The truth is, it got ugly.

Look, I haven't been entirely supportive, nor have I ever attempted to shun people for wanting to play on a RP-PVP server. I have not stopped nor hindered any efforts. The only peice of advice I ever gave to Jaz was to be careful as some people saw it as a split and an attempt to draw people from redeemed. I even put up a poll to help ascertain where a cross section of redeemed stood in regards to playing on a RP-PVP server. I have not even tried to stop Jaz from posting on these forums, nor was it ever my plan to do so, because I felt quite honestly (right or wrong) that it was a means to allow people from all guilds to continue to be in communication with each other. I never saw HIS as anything different then the Mustard Seed Conspiracy.

I don't know if HIS can be brought under ToJ, there is a lot of emotion in these posts on both sides of the table. If it was to happen, there would have to be some very real fundamental understandings on both sides as well. Such as, some people have a very real competative drive and want to run MC and Onyxia to test thier mettle and other people see the game as incidental to being with friends. And there are people dead smuck in the middle who are torn between the two. And if the two houses continue to fight, we risk alienating those people who want to split themselves between the guilds.

I'm going to ask people in this thread and on these forums to stop with the criticizing, take any personal issues with people to private messages and to start to see if any fences or bridges can be mended and work together on doing that.

 

[Tek7 (Legacy)]

Hi. I've been alerted to the situation. I will be working with WoW chapter staff members to resolve the problems presented here, but do not expect an immediate resolution. I am already stretched rather thin.