Rithkil
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Now, let's get this thread back on topic, exchanging links.
Case for a Creator
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Dark Virtue
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Is THAT what this thread was about?
I thought it was for showing EVIDENCE in the existence of God.
I thought it was for showing EVIDENCE in the existence of God.
Ok, final attempt. Let's do math.
Typically ratios are set up so that it is 1 : something. If the first number is not 1, for simplicity and usefullness purposes, it is converted to be as such. Your .01 : 10^215 ratio is thus confusing. You are right, nothing can happen .01 times, but things can happen 1 time right? So lets do a conversion.
.01 : 10^215 = .1 : 10^216 = 1 : 10^217
So for every 10^217 trails, an average of 1 instances of some occurence would take place, based on this probability. That is a really, really low probability, but it still a probability, however 'improbable' it may be. Thus, it is not impossible.
I hope this was clear...if not oh well, let's get back to giving evidence to whether god exists or not.
Typically ratios are set up so that it is 1 : something. If the first number is not 1, for simplicity and usefullness purposes, it is converted to be as such. Your .01 : 10^215 ratio is thus confusing. You are right, nothing can happen .01 times, but things can happen 1 time right? So lets do a conversion.
.01 : 10^215 = .1 : 10^216 = 1 : 10^217
So for every 10^217 trails, an average of 1 instances of some occurence would take place, based on this probability. That is a really, really low probability, but it still a probability, however 'improbable' it may be. Thus, it is not impossible.
I hope this was clear...if not oh well, let's get back to giving evidence to whether god exists or not.
Rithkil
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[b said:
Giving links to show evidence for the existence of God. That's what I made it for.
[b said:
It is actually 0.01. And you can't just reduce it.
I think we've come to a standstill where you won't give up what you think and I won't give up what I think. It's pretty much pointless. Let's get back on topic. Any links, anybody?
Dark Virtue
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I'm not giving up on you understanding this. You are simply making this harder than it needs to be.
Let me see if I can clear this up.
In front of you are four cards, the Ace, King, Queen and Jack of spades.
You place them face down and draw a random card. Your card is a whole number, 1. You didn't draw half a card or .25 of a card, you drew a whole card. HOWEVER, the odds of you drawing an Ace is .25 or 25% since there are four cards. In other words, that's a 1 in 4 chance of drawing an ace. .25 isn't the card you drew, it's the probability of drawing an ace. You're confusing the outcome with the probability of it happening.
So your reasoning that nothing happens .01 times in only correct when you examine the outcome. It either happens or it doesn. HOWEVER, the PROBABILITY of it happening can still be .01.
I wanted to see this number in context so that I can point out to you that this is the PROBABILITY of occuring, not a portion of the occurance.
This page may help: http://www.mathgoodies.com/lessons/vol6/intro_probability.html
[b said:
Let me see if I can clear this up.
In front of you are four cards, the Ace, King, Queen and Jack of spades.
You place them face down and draw a random card. Your card is a whole number, 1. You didn't draw half a card or .25 of a card, you drew a whole card. HOWEVER, the odds of you drawing an Ace is .25 or 25% since there are four cards. In other words, that's a 1 in 4 chance of drawing an ace. .25 isn't the card you drew, it's the probability of drawing an ace. You're confusing the outcome with the probability of it happening.
So your reasoning that nothing happens .01 times in only correct when you examine the outcome. It either happens or it doesn. HOWEVER, the PROBABILITY of it happening can still be .01.
I wanted to see this number in context so that I can point out to you that this is the PROBABILITY of occuring, not a portion of the occurance.
This page may help: http://www.mathgoodies.com/lessons/vol6/intro_probability.html
Rithkil
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It is NOT 0.01 out of 1. The number itself 0.01 is not a probability. The whole equation is. I am not confusing the outcome and probability. No matter what the second number in the probability, the outcome will never be complete. You are confused. You are twisting the equation to your liking. With your card analogy, it is a 24% chance that you'll draw half of a card. That is what the equation means.
NOW GET THIS BACK ON TOPIC! OFFER SOME LINKS! ANYBODY!
NOW GET THIS BACK ON TOPIC! OFFER SOME LINKS! ANYBODY!
Dark Virtue
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Rithkil, I'm trying to teach you something, so chill out.
How is it possible to draw HALF of a card? And there isn't a 24% chance of drawing a card, it's 25%.
For now, please forget about the .01 blah blah blah, let's focus on something simpler.
Look at the link I posted, it may help.
If there are four cards there is a 25% chance, or probability, that you will draw a certain card. 25% because there are four cards. That's 1 in 4.
If you draw a card, any card, you draw the WHOLE card, not half a card.
Let me ask you this, I want you to create the equation and post it.
Take the numbers 1-10. What is the probability of any number coming up? What's the probability of a 1? Of a 3? Now if you randomize those numbers is the number randomly generated a whole number?
Please, just try.
Rithkil
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[b said:
Exactly! You got it! It is IMPOSSIBLE to draw half of a card. That is what the equation means. It is IMPOSSIBLE to have something created 0.01 times. Get it?
Sorry, will correct the 24% to 25%. Sorry if I angered anyone.
Dark Virtue
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Stick with the simple thing first
YOU are the one that stated that it was half a card, not me. I was pointing out your mistake!
Remember, you said, "With your card analogy, it is a 24% chance that you'll draw half of a card."
NO, there's a 25% chance that you will draw a WHOLE card. I don't know where half a card came from, that's why I asked.
Let's get this analogy worked out, then we can move on.
So you agree that, in the analogy, there is a 25% chance that a WHOLE card will be drawn, right?
YOU are the one that stated that it was half a card, not me. I was pointing out your mistake!
Remember, you said, "With your card analogy, it is a 24% chance that you'll draw half of a card."
NO, there's a 25% chance that you will draw a WHOLE card. I don't know where half a card came from, that's why I asked.
Let's get this analogy worked out, then we can move on.
So you agree that, in the analogy, there is a 25% chance that a WHOLE card will be drawn, right?
Rithkil
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[b said:
Don't worry. It wasn't a mistake! That is what the equation means.
[b said:
That's what the equation means! It won't even be complete. Thus, a half card.
[b said:
The equation states the it won't even be COMPLETE. Yours isn't the corect analogy for this eqaution, sorry.
Dark Virtue
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Dude, you are SERIOUSLY lost here.
Think about it, how can you possibly draw HALF a card? You draw a WHOLE card.
What is this completeness that you're talking about? What is incomplete?
Think about it, how can you possibly draw HALF a card? You draw a WHOLE card.
What is this completeness that you're talking about? What is incomplete?
Rithkil
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Ugh, the equation. You are the LOST one here. You just don't get it. You CAN'T draw HALF a card. That is what the equation is saying. THINK. 0.01 times. Nothing can happen 0.01 times. You can't possibly draw half a card. The 0.01 out of 10 to the 215th power is the probability. Not 0.01. 0.01 is how many times it could happen. 0.01 times could never happen. Nothing can ever happen 0.01 times.
Now please leave this thread IMMEDIATELY and argue with someone who cares. I put this thread on here to share links.
I got another link here. It is mainly directed at evolutionists but it helps prove why there is a creator. There's a movie that explainas why creatures had to be created specially. The link is http://explorationfilms.com/folders.asp?action=display&record=1
Now please leave this thread IMMEDIATELY and argue with someone who cares. I put this thread on here to share links.
I got another link here. It is mainly directed at evolutionists but it helps prove why there is a creator. There's a movie that explainas why creatures had to be created specially. The link is http://explorationfilms.com/folders.asp?action=display&record=1
Dark Virtue
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As you wish.
Wallow in your own ignorance.
Wallow in your own ignorance.
Rithkil
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Very persuasive...
The equation is wrong. It is possible to convert it though, so that it is scientifically valid. You are clinging to a falsity, that is why it doesn't make any sense. I repeat: It IS possible to convert it.
.01 : 10^215 = 1 : 10^217
And that makes sense, doesn't it? Of course, it doesn't really matter what format it's in; so long as there is a positive number on both sides, it is a workable ratio. But to keep things simple, that conversion comes in handy.
If you don't want to believe me, then whatever. But I would suggest that you ask your math teacher about this. I highly doubt that he or she will disagree with me.
.01 : 10^215 = 1 : 10^217
And that makes sense, doesn't it? Of course, it doesn't really matter what format it's in; so long as there is a positive number on both sides, it is a workable ratio. But to keep things simple, that conversion comes in handy.
If you don't want to believe me, then whatever. But I would suggest that you ask your math teacher about this. I highly doubt that he or she will disagree with me.