mrpopdrinker
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That is correct but you can talk about it more in the free will thread.[b said:
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i who am nothing0 am in here by permission of the author of this thread.
BE not offended.
Concerning free will and predestination.
Free will was given to the spirits(light) that came into the flesh of men.
The freedom to suffer or not to suffer the rebelliousness of the flesh was what was decided by the spirits of men before they came to be in them.
It is for this alone, those with willing spirits were remove from hell, and those with were left.
And now i speak of the souls of men(conscious minds that arose as a result of the passage of the flesh in this world.)
But because of the willingness of the spirit and NOT of the flesh, those willing spirits will be gifted NEW fleshly bodies at the first resurrection, but the same soul. amen
But is was the desire of THE LORD YESHUA TO EVEN SAVE THE FLESH OF MEN.
For it was Never His or His FATHER' PLAN THAT THE FLESH OF MEN SHOULD PERISH. AMEN
So Yeshua died so that the flesh of men might NOt. amen
Hense St.John 8:51, whereby it you would by the example of the motions and utterances of Paul keep all the sayings of Yeshua, you might be TRANSLATED TO ENTER INTO THE KINGDOME OF GOd AND NOT BY RESURRECTION.
For many led to righteousness by THE HOLY SPIRIT came in the flesh only to perish for the sin of the first adam, but what availeth the efforts of the LAST MAN ADAM, if none saw it profitable to go and take advantage of His offer of eternal life by translation?
What Yeshua has asked men to do is die to sin by going to sin no more.
And then if a man tells men he does not sin i know he is a liar, yet by THE HOLY GHOST/SPIRIT ALONE i may be made to know who does and does not sin, for such is the POWER OF THE LORD GOd YESHUA BY THE FATHER THRU THE HOLY GHOST. AMEN
any questions?
i am nothing0.
JESUS IS THE LORD1PRAISE THE LORD1THE LORD YESHUA1. AMEN
BE not offended.
Concerning free will and predestination.
Free will was given to the spirits(light) that came into the flesh of men.
The freedom to suffer or not to suffer the rebelliousness of the flesh was what was decided by the spirits of men before they came to be in them.
It is for this alone, those with willing spirits were remove from hell, and those with were left.
And now i speak of the souls of men(conscious minds that arose as a result of the passage of the flesh in this world.)
But because of the willingness of the spirit and NOT of the flesh, those willing spirits will be gifted NEW fleshly bodies at the first resurrection, but the same soul. amen
But is was the desire of THE LORD YESHUA TO EVEN SAVE THE FLESH OF MEN.
For it was Never His or His FATHER' PLAN THAT THE FLESH OF MEN SHOULD PERISH. AMEN
So Yeshua died so that the flesh of men might NOt. amen
Hense St.John 8:51, whereby it you would by the example of the motions and utterances of Paul keep all the sayings of Yeshua, you might be TRANSLATED TO ENTER INTO THE KINGDOME OF GOd AND NOT BY RESURRECTION.
For many led to righteousness by THE HOLY SPIRIT came in the flesh only to perish for the sin of the first adam, but what availeth the efforts of the LAST MAN ADAM, if none saw it profitable to go and take advantage of His offer of eternal life by translation?
What Yeshua has asked men to do is die to sin by going to sin no more.
And then if a man tells men he does not sin i know he is a liar, yet by THE HOLY GHOST/SPIRIT ALONE i may be made to know who does and does not sin, for such is the POWER OF THE LORD GOd YESHUA BY THE FATHER THRU THE HOLY GHOST. AMEN
any questions?
i am nothing0.
JESUS IS THE LORD1PRAISE THE LORD1THE LORD YESHUA1. AMEN
mrpopdrinker
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First off what denomination are you are you a mormon? Now there is a flaw in what you said. You said Yeshua died so that the flesh of man wouldent that is not true. He died to save the spirit for the bible says it is appointed unto man once to die the second death is optional.
mrpopdrinker
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This is from the rapture thread I have moved it.
In the end it is up to us what happens to our spirit. The spirit is you and you are your spirit and what you do with your spirit is up to you. Just because the spirit is willing doesent meen a thing. It is up to you what you fill the spirit with. For some like myself it is the Holy Spirit as the spirit is empty, for others it may be rock music drugs alchohol or a combination of all of them. What you fill your spirit with determains where you will go. You are you and your decisions are your own and you have one conciousness even though you have three seperate parts.
In the end it is up to us what happens to our spirit. The spirit is you and you are your spirit and what you do with your spirit is up to you. Just because the spirit is willing doesent meen a thing. It is up to you what you fill the spirit with. For some like myself it is the Holy Spirit as the spirit is empty, for others it may be rock music drugs alchohol or a combination of all of them. What you fill your spirit with determains where you will go. You are you and your decisions are your own and you have one conciousness even though you have three seperate parts.
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Maybe you had better contrast that with St. John 8:51
die=death
Simple solution:
When you are translated, the old man(your old fleshly body)dies and you are immediately given a NEW FLESHLY BODY ALL WITHOUT HAVING TO SLEEP. AMEN AMEN AMEN
Now then by the process of cellar mitosis, we now already receive a NEW FLESHLY BODY ABOUT EVERY seven years.
So then what amazing thing is it for The FATHER AND THE SON to visit you in translation to give you a NEW body by the same process all at the same time. amen
Yeshua does NOT make Himself to be a liar,nor does He break His own physical laws He Himself has allowed us to discover.
i am a Christian fathered into THE BODY OF YESHUA BY Paul.
i am from before the concision. amen
i am nothing0 made CORRECT IN ALL THESE SPIRITUAL THINGS BY THE HOLY SPIRIT/GHOST
When i say die, i mean sleep.
die=death
Simple solution:
When you are translated, the old man(your old fleshly body)dies and you are immediately given a NEW FLESHLY BODY ALL WITHOUT HAVING TO SLEEP. AMEN AMEN AMEN
Now then by the process of cellar mitosis, we now already receive a NEW FLESHLY BODY ABOUT EVERY seven years.
So then what amazing thing is it for The FATHER AND THE SON to visit you in translation to give you a NEW body by the same process all at the same time. amen
Yeshua does NOT make Himself to be a liar,nor does He break His own physical laws He Himself has allowed us to discover.
i am a Christian fathered into THE BODY OF YESHUA BY Paul.
i am from before the concision. amen
i am nothing0 made CORRECT IN ALL THESE SPIRITUAL THINGS BY THE HOLY SPIRIT/GHOST
When i say die, i mean sleep.
mrpopdrinker
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What Yeshua was talking about in John was the spirit and second death which is the death of the spirit. When I said it is appointed unto man once to die I am speaking of the body. When we go to heaven our bodies will be glorfied and like new but as far as me getting a new physical body here nope I have to be raptured or die first.
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Remember Yeshua is The LOrd and all knowing.
Does Yeshua say death in St John 8:51 and then in Revelation 2:11 say concerning the EXACT SAME THING calling it now the second death?
The LORd Yeshua does not make such mistakes.
The death in St. John is concerning sleeping in the earth as Saints and the second death is those raised in their original fleshandmind with an unwilling spirit and then thrown into a lake of fire.
i am dear brother made UNDEFEATED ACROSS THE WHOLE OF THE EARTH BY THE LORd YESHUA THRU THE HOLY GHOST/SPIRIT.
JESUS IS THE LORD1PRAISE THE LORD1THE LORD YESHUA1. AMEN
Does Yeshua say death in St John 8:51 and then in Revelation 2:11 say concerning the EXACT SAME THING calling it now the second death?
The LORd Yeshua does not make such mistakes.
The death in St. John is concerning sleeping in the earth as Saints and the second death is those raised in their original fleshandmind with an unwilling spirit and then thrown into a lake of fire.
i am dear brother made UNDEFEATED ACROSS THE WHOLE OF THE EARTH BY THE LORd YESHUA THRU THE HOLY GHOST/SPIRIT.
JESUS IS THE LORD1PRAISE THE LORD1THE LORD YESHUA1. AMEN
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i am not mormon.
i am of these three:Roman Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant.
They will in the united states of north america become ONE.
i am nothing0.
Yeshua is The Lord1. amen
but still you understand not the meaning of the utterance.
i will walk and strive with you.
i am of these three:Roman Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant.
They will in the united states of north america become ONE.
i am nothing0.
Yeshua is The Lord1. amen
but still you understand not the meaning of the utterance.
i will walk and strive with you.
mrpopdrinker
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It wasent a mistake. If you truly are of God then I would advise you to ask for the gift of decernment.
mrpopdrinker
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Utterence could from what I have seen could either meen mumbling or God speaking.
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The post concerning celluar mitosis and translation covers this PERFECTLY.
AMEN
bY the way, Enoch and Elijah were translated.
To them i will add to my knowledge so too were Mary and Lazarus.
By the way the spirit CAN NOT DIE.
It has not flesh.
The fleshy body raised at the second resurrection can HOWEVER die.
Revelation 19:20 "These both were cast ALIVE into a lake of fire." means with a fleshly body.
Now then Revelation 20:10 states "and shall be TORMENTED DAY AND NIGHT(AS A DAY IS TO YESHUA) FOR EVER AND EVER."
To wit: even though the flesh they were tossed into the fire has died, the spirits and minds are eternally tormented. amen
Unless you think The LORd Yeshua gives them the same He GIFT He gave to Meshach, Shadrach, and Abed-nego.
Does He give to His enemies the same GIFT He gives His friends?
NOT SO!
The false prophet has a fleshly body you can touch. amen
Now then go see Revelation 21:8
Here is a bunch raised in the flesh and also tossed into the lake of fire.
Where does it say if the flesh has died, the spirit also dies.
IF so then what is being tormented for ever and ever.
i am nothing0 made 100% CORRECT IN ALL SPIRITUAL THINGS BY THE HOLY GHOST. AMEN
THANKYOU JESUS.
AMEN
bY the way, Enoch and Elijah were translated.
To them i will add to my knowledge so too were Mary and Lazarus.
By the way the spirit CAN NOT DIE.
It has not flesh.
The fleshy body raised at the second resurrection can HOWEVER die.
Revelation 19:20 "These both were cast ALIVE into a lake of fire." means with a fleshly body.
Now then Revelation 20:10 states "and shall be TORMENTED DAY AND NIGHT(AS A DAY IS TO YESHUA) FOR EVER AND EVER."
To wit: even though the flesh they were tossed into the fire has died, the spirits and minds are eternally tormented. amen
Unless you think The LORd Yeshua gives them the same He GIFT He gave to Meshach, Shadrach, and Abed-nego.
Does He give to His enemies the same GIFT He gives His friends?
NOT SO!
The false prophet has a fleshly body you can touch. amen
Now then go see Revelation 21:8
Here is a bunch raised in the flesh and also tossed into the lake of fire.
Where does it say if the flesh has died, the spirit also dies.
IF so then what is being tormented for ever and ever.
i am nothing0 made 100% CORRECT IN ALL SPIRITUAL THINGS BY THE HOLY GHOST. AMEN
THANKYOU JESUS.
mrpopdrinker
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The second death is hell as I said ask for the gift of decerning. Enoch and Elijah where raptured, by the way the lake of fire which is hell is the second death. The flesh in the lake of fire cannot die.
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You shouldn't have to but I will give one to help clarify:
I have never recieved a low grade on a test, yet if I had, I could easily fathom the disgust I would feel in regards to myself.
To go out of human experience though:
I am not omnipotent, yet I can fathom what it is to be as such.
I have never recieved a low grade on a test, yet if I had, I could easily fathom the disgust I would feel in regards to myself.
To go out of human experience though:
I am not omnipotent, yet I can fathom what it is to be as such.
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the Bible never says that Mary never died nor Lazurus. And we don't get an entire new body every seven years. Just mainly new skin every seven years. I have the exact same eyes, teeth, bones, and i'm not sure about organs but I think it's pretty much only skin that makes itself new every 7 years.
What about the very fact that we even have words for attributes such as omniscience and omnipotence? You can't really create a word, define it, and use it if you don't know what it means or cannot fathom its meaning. I mean, seriously, Christians will argue to the end of the earth that their God is omniscient (is he not?), but if its shown that this attribute creates a flaw in Him, suddenly His omniscience is unfathomable, beyond human comprehension, and thus not a valid point. Give me a break.[b said:Quote[/b] (SirNukes @ Sep. 20 2003,10:02)]There is nothing, so feel free to give examples.[b said:And be sure to give thought out examples, because that test thing mentioned by another is just a known experience with a fresh mask.
A very wise man once said:[b said:
"Now, we do have an idea of what omniscience is, but it is far from reliable. We obtain the idea through an extrapolation--we take the small, limited bit of knowledge we have and extrapolate to infinite knowledge."
In other words, I already addressed that point. We have a word for omniscience because of the above. That does not mean we understand the idea we are trying to label, but that we recognize it exists.
originally, i had typed out an explanation of the word "omniscient", including an examination of the latin root words.....i then decided that it really wasn't necessary and erased it....i simply can't argue with someone who chooses ignorance over reason...i don't even mean that as an attack against you, i just can't say it any simpler