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Oki, bad chice of words, but they might be deities for all I know I can't say I'm all knowlage about "craft" so I asked Eon what he though about them.
I am a Christian so no I don't confess to other Gods,
as I said I don't communicate with the dead, there are some kids who can see two ppl here who they claim to be spirits. And for further more proof there is also mentioned somewhere that you should not counsel those whom speak with the dead, I am well avere of that, is not a righteus way according to the bible. I say ppl hav spottet "dead" spirits call them deamons and I was asking Eon who have an opinion regardin craft\magic, not to get beat down on how bad it is to try to talk to dead ppl.
 
As far as you calling Bush an idiot, I beg to differ, and I'd like for you to give evidence that proves his idiocy, because no one I know does. Just so you'll know, I'm quite knowledgable in the area of politics, simply because of the family I've been raised in.

I do not claim to agree with everything Bush has done, but I will not be found stupid and ignorant enough to sit here and call him a bad president, because he is not, he is a good president and if you deny that then you show your own ignorance....But that's another topic altogether.

Van
 
I know I'm a little late to resond, but oh well-
[b said:
Quote[/b] ]I think they would be too afraid to try, because in their hearts, they know they will fail, and they wouldn't want to face the truth of what such a failure would mean. But I will make an effort to ask this of Christians whenever I get the chance; we'll see if anyone is willing to save my soul from eternal damnation.
um, communicating with demonic beings when you are a christian would be rather stupid. Fear doesn't really play a big role in the matter for me. what "truth" would be revealed by a christian who couldn't convince a demon to do something for them? you don't have wait to see if anyone is willing to save your soul, the price has already been paid...
 
I can't confirm that bacuse I though they lived in about the same age, but how ever there are numerus warnings and so in the old testament that you should not resort tho speaking to the dead etc.
 
[b said:
Quote[/b] (LionOfJudah @ Mar. 08 2004,2:03)]right so that wasnt Elijha that saul had summoned it was a demon....
Neither. It was Samuel. 1Samuel 28:11 "Then the woman asked, "whom shall I bring up for you?" "Bring up Samuel," he said." Actually if you look at the following verses in context it would seem that Saul never even seen Samuel. Even if he did see him I doubt it was actually Samuel.
 
Van,

I'll pull a list of the stuff that Bush has done for you, from stealing the election through to stealing just about everything else that isn't nailed down. We could pass over his incredibly dubious military service (sounds to me that he'd actually have to be braver than he is to be a coward like Clinton was) but that has to be old news to everyone now. We could swell on his illegal foreign policy of pre-emptive strikes on those who might one day become a threat to the US, or who might develop the desire to one day develop the capability of becoming a threat to the US. We could notice that he managed to make exactly the same mistake his predecessors did in Vietnam - Mission Accomplished! (not).
 
[b said:
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Neither. It was Samuel. 1Samuel 28:11 "Then the woman asked, "whom shall I bring up for you?" "Bring up Samuel," he said." Actually if you look at the following verses in context it would seem that Saul never even seen Samuel. Even if he did see him I doubt it was actually Samuel.
It wasn't Samuel. It was Satan impersonating Samuel. You cannot communicate with the dead.
 
Who do you think Ancestor spirits are? Admittedly they aren't always specific people, especially not the old ones, but you do get "Ancestor Spirits" of a certain Kin or Clan or Family group.

The Necronomicon is a bit like a gun left lying around. I'm not sure if it's loaded or not, but I would treat it as such until I knew for sure. And I don't know for sure. I own a copy of the same incomplete translation that I imagine you do. It IS incomplete, but that's not all that reassuring - what if it's the safety catch that's missing, instead of the firing pin? Go carefully.

Generally speaking anything that calls itself evil is probably to be avoided - in much the same way you'd avoid someone that calls themselves a vampire. Whether they derive nourishment from the blood they drink, or not, you don't want them drinking yours, do you? They might well be so weak that all they CAN do is threaten - especially someone versed in the basic defences and protections - but then again they you AREN'T versed in those defences or protections, are you?

If you decide you want to do it again, then drop me a PM and I'll teach you one or two things that might give you a headstart or an edge in a rough crowd. I warn you in advance, in case you're of a romantic bent, you won't be slaying ANYTHING.
 
unless God really let Samuel come back for a bit in spirit form, whatever the case the summoner got a real shock
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[b said:
Quote[/b] ]lol...ok, let me get this straight.

You're saying that, because I'm self-actualized enough to know that I wouldn't be able to handle such power, whether from God or Satan, or Martha Stewart for that matter, that makes me a chicken?

Hehe...you sound like a third-grader trying to convince another third-grader to try a Ouija board, only to call him a "scaredy cat" when he won't try.  Way to be a champion of logic GM.
I can't know with any certainty why it is that you or anyone else would refuse to use such power if you know that you could. But I have a difficult time believing that everyone is so afraid that they will be corrupted. I mean, do you find yourself constantly getting addicted and losing self-control? I believe many of the Christians here evangelize, so, if you care, why not use this power to convince people like me who don't believe? You people are constantly putting your trust in god to help you and support you, so why wouldn't you trust him to protect you and keep you safe? You would be doing good works and converting those who would not otherwise believe.

I have another question for those who believe in demons/spirits/etc.. Do you believe that some are corporeal, walking the earth among us?

Eon, how is it that a commercial product like a Ouija board allows one to communicate with spirits? What is so special about it?
 
I just wanted to respond to Vanaze's challenge to provide evidence of Bush being a moron. Sorry to post it all here, but the link is currently broken. Bush is a buffoon the likes of which the White House has never before seen and will likely never see again.

"You don't need to be smart to be president"
--Republican Congressman J.C. Watts - said at a February campaign appearance on Bush's behalf. Washington Post, 6/11/00

"I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating."
--U.S. News & World Report, April 3, 2000

"Rarely is the question asked: is our children learning"
--Florence, SC, Jan. 11, 2000

"Actually, I -- this may sound a little West Texan to you, but I like it. When I'm talking about -- when I'm talking about myself, and when he's talking about myself, all of us are talking about me."
--Hardball, MSNBC, May 31, 2000

"It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it."
--Reuters, May 5, 2000

"I think we agree, the past is over."
--On his meeting with John McCain, Dallas Morning News, May 10, 2000

"Laura and I really don't realize how bright our children is sometime until we get an objective analysis."
--Meet the Press, April 15, 2000

"I was raised in the West. The west of Texas. It's pretty close to California. In more ways than Washington, D.C., is close to California."
--Los Angeles Times, April 8, 2000

"We want our teachers to be trained so they can meet the obligations; their obligations as teachers. We want them to know how to teach the science of reading. In order to make sure there's not this kind of federal cufflink."
--Fritsche Middle School, Milwaukee, March 30, 2000

"The fact that he relies on facts -- says things that are not factual -- are going to undermine his campaign."
--New York Times, March 4, 2000

"It is not Reaganesque to support a tax plan that is Clinton in nature."
--Los Angeles, Feb. 23, 2000

"I understand small business growth. I was one."
--New York Daily News, Feb. 19, 2000

"How do you know if you don't measure if you have a system that simply suckles kids through?"
--Explaining the need for educational accountability, Beaufort, S.C.,Feb.16, 2000

"The senator has got to understand if he's going to have he can't have it both ways. He can't take the high horse and then claim the low road."
--To reporters in Florence, S.C., Feb. 17, 2000

"If you're sick and tired of the politics of cynicism and polls and principles, come and join this campaign."
--Hilton Head, S.C., Feb. 16, 2000

"We ought to make the pie higher."
-South Carolina Republican Debate, Feb. 15, 2000

"I've changed my style somewhat, as you know. I'm less, I pontificate less, although it may be hard to tell it from this show. And I'm more interacting with people."
--Meet The Press, Feb. 13, 2000

"I think we need not only to eliminate the tollbooth to the middle class, I think we should knock down the tollbooth."
--Nashua, N.H., as quoted by Gail Collins, New York Times, Feb. 1, 2000

"The most important job is not to be governor, or first lady in my case."
--Pella, Iowa, as quoted in the San Antonio Express News, Jan. 30, 2000"

"This is Preservation Month. I appreciate preservation. It's what you do when you run for president. You gotta preserve."
--Speaking during Perseverance Month at Fairgrounds Elementary School in Nashua, N.H.

"I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family."
--Greater Nashua, N.H., Chamber of Commerce, Jan. 27, 2000

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."
--At a South Carolina oyster roast; quoted in the Financial Times, Jan.14, 2000

"There needs to be debates, like we're going through. There needs to be townhall meetings. There needs to be travel. This is a huge country."
--Larry King Live, Dec. 16, 1999

"The important question is, How many hands have I shaked?"
--Answering a question about why he hasn't spent more time in New Hampshire; quoted in the New York Times, Oct. 23, 1999

"Keep good relations with the Grecians."
--Quoted in the Economist, June 12, 1999

"When it is all said and done, I will have made more money than I ever dreamed I would make."
--Source & Date unknown (please email us the source if you know)

"I don't remember debates. I don't think we spent a lot of time debating it. Maybe we did, but I don't remember."
--On discussing the Vietnam War as an undergraduate at Yale, in the Washington Post, July 27, 1999

"Put the 'off' button on."
--South Carolina, February 14, 2000

"I did denounce it. I de-I denounced it. I denounced interracial dating. I denounced anti-Catholic bigacy... bigotry."
--Referring to his Bob Jones University visit and the subsequent criticism, Virginia, February 25, 2000

"We believe in opportunity for all Americans: Rich and poor, black and white...."
--From a speech at Bob Jones Univ., in South Carolina, 2/2/00

"We must all hear the universal call to like your neighbor just like you like to be liked yourself."
--George W. Bush puts an interesting twist on Jesus Christ's proverb: "Love thy neighbor." (Quote is from the Financial Times)

"I would have said yes to abortion if only it was right. I mean, yeah it's right. Well no it's not right that's why I said no to it."
--South Carolina, February 14,2000

"My [tax cut] plan is realistic because it avoids meaningless 15-year projections."
--George W. Bush goes to extraordinary lengths to defend his tax cut plan. (Quote is from a Bush speech in Iowa, 12/1/99)

"The fundamental question is: 'Will I be a successful president when it comes to foreign policy?' I will be, but until I'm the president, it's going to be hard for me to verify that I think I'll be more effective."
--New York Times, 7/28/99

"There ought to be limits to freedom"
--at a Press conference at the Texas State House, May 21, 1999, referring to GWBush.com

"We have struggle to not proceed but to preceed to the future of a nation's child."
--Journal Gazette 11/12/00

"My opponent seems to think that Social Security is a federal program. I believe that money is yours and you should be able to invest it yourself."
-The final Presidential debate

"Down in Washington they're playing with Social Security like it's some kind of government program!"
-NBC Nightly News (Date unknown, anyone out there know?)

"The reason we start a war is to fight a war, win a war, thereby causing no more war!"
--The first Presidential debate

"They said, 'You know, this issue doesn't seem to resignate [sic] with the people.' And I said, you know something? Whether it resignates [sic] or not doesn't matter to me, because I stand for doing what's the right thing, and what the right thing is hearing the voices of people who work.
--Portland, Ore., Oct. 31, 2000

"It's your money. You paid for it."
--LaCrosse, Wis., Oct. 18, 2000

"It's important for us to explain to our nation that life is important. It's not only life of babies, but it's life of children living in, you know, the dark dungeons of the Internet.
-Arlington Heights, Ill., Oct. 24, 2000

"If affirmative action means what I just described, what I'm for, then I'm for it."
--The Presidential Debates. St. Louis, Mo., October 18, 2000

"It's going to require numerous IRA agents."
--On Gore's tax plan, Greensboro, N.C., Oct. 10, 2000

"I don't think we need to be subliminable [sic] about the differences between our views on prescription drugs."
--Orlando, Fla., Sept. 12, 2000. He then repeatedly mispronounced the word after his press conference.

"I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully"
--Saginaw, Mich., Sept. 29, 2000

"Will the highways on the Internet become more few?"
--Concord, N.H., Jan. 29, 2000

"It is clear our nation is reliant upon big foreign oil. More and more of our imports come from overseas."
--Beaverton, Ore., Sep. 25, 2000

"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier...just as long as I'm the dictator..."
--Washington, DC, Dec 18, 2000, during his first trip to Washington as President-Elect

"They misunderestimated me."
--Bentonville, Ark., Nov. 6, 2000

"That's a chapter, the last chapter of the 20th, 20th, the 21st century that most of us would rather forget. The last chapter of the 20th century. This is the first chapter of the 21st century."
--On the Lewinsky scandal, Arlington Heights, Ill., Oct. 24, 2000"

"Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream."
—LaCrosse, Wis., Oct. 18, 2000"

"There's a huge trust. I see it all the time when people come up to me and say, 'I don't want you to let me down again.'"
— Boston, Massachusetts, October 3, 2000

"I think if you know what you believe, it makes it a lot easier to answer questions. I can't answer your question"
--Reynoldsburg, Ohio, October 4, 2000

"You teach a child to read and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test."
--February 21, 2001 - President Bush at Townsend Elementary School, touting his education reform plans.
 
[b said:
Quote[/b] (Grand Master @ Mar. 08 2004,12:23)]I can't know with any certainty why it is that you or anyone else would refuse to use such power if you know that you could. But I have a difficult time believing that everyone is so afraid that they will be corrupted. I mean, do you find yourself constantly getting addicted and losing self-control? I believe many of the Christians here evangelize, so, if you care, why not use this power to convince people like me who don't believe? You people are constantly putting your trust in god to help you and support you, so why wouldn't you trust him to protect you and keep you safe? You would be doing good works and converting those who would not otherwise believe.
Ok, I'm going to try to approach this as objectively as possible.

We, as Christians, get most of what we understand about God from the Bible. We may also draw on experiential knowledge, when accompanied by meditation, singing, reading Scripture, or prayer (for the most part, I think most would agree). Our goal in evangelization is to show God through us, as we've experienced and learned Him to be. Further, it pretty explicitly says in the Bible not to perform magic.

*mostly opinion, starting here*

The "magic" that you talk about is 99% self-serving. If I want to show the power of God to someone, I will use my life as an example; where I've been, what I've experienced, etc., and show how God was the one working in every situation. As an extension of that, I will act, via His grace and love, in a way according to His example in Scripture. That example did not include self-serving magic. Notice that Jesus, reflecting on all His actions, continually gives praise and credit to His Father who enables Him to do all that He does. If you want a pyrotechnic magic show to know that God is real, you either aren't being shown the right example in all of our lives, or God simply chooses not to. (I am certainly not going to limit the actions of God, and what He chooses to use to reach people.)

Now I know that God has used people in the Bible to do amazing stuff; we needn't get into that. Christ himself said that His believers would do many signs and miracles. The main point I'm trying to make, though, is that what you want to see and do is draw power from a higher source to do something spectacular - but you want all the power, and all the glory.

I think in today's age, doing miracles or "magic" would be a stumbling block to non-believers, simply because the common view of magic is that it is dark power that one person can control to do what they want. The last thing I would want to happen is to do something like that and cause people to turn to me in awe instead of turning to Jesus.

*/opinion*
 
so Jesus did not talk to neone after his death, umm anyone he raised from the dead, who is to say what is truth, becuase if you look at the CONTEXT it was samuel if it wasnt i think it would be mentioned.
 
It doesn't say in the Bible Jesus talked to anyone. So no.
[b said:
Quote[/b] ]who is to say what is truth, becuase if you look at the CONTEXT it was samuel if it wasnt i think it would be mentioned.
If you are to look throughout the Bible, you will find many verses saying that basically the dead have no part in this life anymore. If the dead could talk to people, they'd still have a part.
 
Oh, Grand, those aren't reasons for him being a moron. Some of the greatest men ever in existence had no talent for speaking.

those were the exact answers I was speaking of when I said "don't pull anything". Those aren't political reasons, those are /hate/ filled liberal tacts (or tactless?) remarks and responses.

I want real reasons, not fluff. You sir, come bearing fluff.
 
[b said:
Quote[/b] (Jango @ Mar. 08 2004,2:26)]It doesn't say in the Bible Jesus talked to anyone.
Are you reading the same Bible as the rest of us?

Since I'm tired, let's stick with the Gospel of John for now.

19:30 - Jesus gives up his spirit.
19:42 - Jesus is laid in the tomb.
20:1-10 - Nobody can find Jesus' body.

** Ok, so we've established here that Jesus is pretty dead and pretty much nowhere to be found.

20:15 - Jesus said to her [Mary], "Woman, why are you weeping?" He goes on to talk for a little while.
20:19 - Jesus came and stood among them [the disciples] and said, "Peace be with you." He goes on to talk for a pretty decent amount of time.
20:26 - Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you." Then he talks to Thomas for a bit.
21:5 - Jesus said to them, "Children, you have no fish, have you?"
21:10 - Jesus said to them, "Bring some of the fish that you have just caught." etc.
21:15-22 - Jesus talking to Peter.


Would you like to try your argument again?
 
Fluff? Oh, come on. When I see someone who is so inarticulate and so clueless, I tend to get the clear impression that he is a moron. So what if some of these great men you speak of weren't eloquent speakers? Being a great man doesn't eliminate the possibility that you are an idiot. Maybe your definition of an idiot differs from mine.

But if you want political reasons for why Bush is not fit to be president, you need look no further than his 2000 election campain, where he revealed quite obviously what an ignoramus he is when it comes to world affairs and leaders. You'd think that a presidential candidate would know a little bit about things that are going on in the world. You'd think. He will lose the upcoming election like his dad did.
 
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