ATF Agent Admits To Reporter That He Was Ordered To Let Guns Cross Into Mexico

If that is really true then that's pretty terrible. The only thing we should be letting any of those cartel scumbags have is a bullet to the head. To think that guns the ATF intentionally allowed through have only wound up empowering the cartels is disgusting.

That said, I personally take no issue with investigations that undermine Mexican authorities, since they have invariably shown themselves to be either too corrupt, too incompetent or too undermanned to actually deal with all the drug crime down there. The problem here is the method (letting guns through with the intention of tracing them) not the intention. Assuming of course that somebody at the ATF wasn't simply getting paid off for this.
 
shadetaker said:
If that is really true then that's pretty terrible. The only thing we should be letting any of those cartel scumbags have is a bullet to the head. To think that guns the ATF intentionally allowed through have only wound up empowering the cartels is disgusting.
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Tell us how you really feel, and please, don't hold back this time! Seriously though, while we're all sinners...these guys definitely fit the epitome of the definition. :(

shadetaker said:
That said, I personally take no issue with investigations that undermine Mexican authorities, since they have invariably shown themselves to be either too corrupt, too incompetent or too undermanned to actually deal with all the drug crime down there. The problem here is the method (letting guns through with the intention of tracing them) not the intention. Assuming of course that somebody at the ATF wasn't simply getting paid off for this.
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One thing on corruption - think about it this way. What would YOU do if you were a local mayor in a town with powerful drug cartels, they come into your office, and threaten to kill your entire family and everyone that knows you?

The real issue is that the cartels are simply too, too powerful, which is what makes these actions even worse.
 
Perhaps I should rephrase a bit. My opinion is that when dealing with the drug trade we should A make drug offenses beyond possession for personal use a capital crime, and B forcefully engage the cartels with our military might, treating it like an actual war. These people have built a commercial empire off the destruction of lives, and that to me makes them no better than murderers, which many of them are anyway. It doesn't mean that I wouldn't share the gospel with them or what have you, but that's on my own personal level; at governmental level I have no patience for solutions that never actually work because they're too afraid to do what's really necessary. We've been calling it a war on drugs, it's time we actually treated it like one.

I fully understand a lot of the corruption going down there and I sympathize with those who aren't given a choice. Since I live on the border with Juarez I am familiar with what goes down these; people from my church have lost family members who were murdered by the cartels. No one can blame those those are so overwhelmed for failing to resist, since it would be little but an exercise in futility and a sure death sentence for them and those around them. Not everyone is so innocent though. Some simply side with the cartels because they want the money, such a government paramilitary group that the US helped train to combat the cartels, who defected as soon as they were trained because the cartels pay more.

There is really no way that most of Mexico can hope to actually win this fight, so they need our help whether they want to admit it or not. That the Mexican government doesn't want it suggests to me that many of them are probably on the take, and thus my opinion that we should simply disregard their wishes and handle the cartels ourselves whether they like it or not, since their failure to do so has dramatically negative consequences for us as well.
 
We should send our military to help Mexico, which is overrun by drug cartels? But there isn't any oil in Mexico?

In all seriousness, though...this is what I see when I look at two situations over the years:
1) A few guys not associated with any country blow themselves and planes up 10 years ago. We invade two countries under the guise of WMDs, which even Rumsfeld has admitted never existed. We continue occupancy in those countries, while actively meddling with others in the region. We do this "to keep us safe", even though there is no credible threat anywhere to be found outside of the media.
2) The country JUST SOUTH of us is essentially overrun. People are raped and killed by the thousands. Gangs are rampant, and constantly pouring into our country. Not only do we seem to be ignoring these people, we actually seem to be helping the opposition with stuff like this and our drug policy.

:( What are you doing, America?
 
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