An announcement on my posting in this forum

Azzie

Azzie

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I said this in my last post of the "Pro's of an Atheist" thread.

I'm switching my posting perspective to the atheist side. Do not think i have denied faith or changed in religious beliefs; I am merely posting and trying to think from a different perspective.

This is just a heads up in case people wonder why I, a Christian myself, seem to attack Christianity in the posts to come.

woot #100 for me :D
 
"Yes, a Jedi's strength flows from the Force. But beware of the dark side. Anger, fear, aggression; the dark side of the Force are they. Easily they flow, quick to join you in a fight. If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will, as it did Obi-Wan's apprentice."

Personally, I don't feel that I "attack" Christianity.

Poke and prod maybe :)
 
haha i never meant it to say that you attack Christianity at all, DV.

I'm just giving a heads up if I, personally, SEEM to do so, cuz i dont think i can word my arguments very well sometimes.
Cheers. :D
 
Oh and about that jedi quote...

But in the end Anakin DID fulfill the prophecy of the Jedi and kill off Sidious.
Despite his almost total betrayal of the light side of the force, his actions ultimately destroyed the Dark Side and he returned to the light before he died.

...a heads up for YOU. :D (I'm joking.)

And I dont think atheism is "Anger, fear, aggression" at all. Quite the contrary, in fact...I feel atheism is very practical and can REALLY benefit society, especially on its emphasis of the golden rule, which, sadly, isn't thought of enough in Christian evangleism. Christian to Christian "propaganda" calls missionaries by showing that the people of the world are "in need." But do THEY really think so? Do they even WANT help at all? Perhaps it would help if a lot of Christians thought for a bit longer on such issues before charging into the fray, since a lot of persuasion comes with being considerate for the other side.
 
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Hmmm, Anakin didn't actually destroy the Dark Side though. That wasn't his purpose anyway, wasn't he supposed to bring BALANCE to the Force?

Don't worry, I was joking about the dark side bit :)

As for the rest of your post, this quote sums it up nicely:

I read about an Eskimo hunter who asked the local missionary priest, "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?"

"No," said the priest, "not if you did not know."

"Then why," asked the Eskimo earnestly, "did you tell me?"
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- Annie Dillard, Pilgrim at Tinker Creed
 
hescominsoon said:
I wonder why a Christian would pretend to be an atheist. Are you looking to mock non-believers or God? Why would you want to play with spiritual fire like this? I have a background of Druidism but you won't see me "play the pagan" due to the fact of that lifestyle is now not part of me anymore. Your original post did little to explain why you would do this.
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How, exactly, is he playing with fire?

I've never known Azzie to be disrespectful or mocking in any way. I think you misunderstand his intentions and are a bit too quick to judge.

I'd have a humble apology ready if I were you.
 
haha my thanks, DV. But no apology is really necessary at this point.

I knew people would be asking why I'm doing this. I merely think that it would be good for me to play a devil's advocate position, since the way people react to direct opposition is different than that of a, say, trainer. Surely we would all agree that thinking about these things more is mutually beneficial, despite differences in belief?

Besides, for all I can see, Christianity's enemy is NOT atheism. Christianity's enemy is Satan. In the same way, atheism may accuse Christianity a lot, but Christianity or religion in general is NOT atheism's enemy. Sure, Satan uses atheism. But Satan uses Christianity too.
As for atheism, atheists, too, agree that humans aren't perfect. The reasons may be different, but the fact that humans need improvement is undisputed by both sides. Sure, atheists don't call human flaw Satan, but there is a common motive: bettering ourselves, living more "moral" or more "Christ-like."

Why can't the two work together to fight a common enemy?

I must admit though, ignorance is a bit of an accusation that's a tad bit too strong. perhaps what DV is impying is just a different perspective that Christians perceive to be "ignorant."
 
Well, that's not what i was trying to refer to. I was mainly referring to a common belief that humans are not perfect. Christians blame Satan, atheists do not because we (haha) don't believe Satan exists. But neither says that humans dont need improvement. As a result, both sides try to achieve this improvement, even though the two sides are using extremely different ways. The agreement on that was what i was trying to get at. In other words, the "common enemy" I was referring to was, very basically, the imperfections of humanity.

Anyway, my primary focus on my last post was to indicate that I am not playing with fire, but rather trying to find even ground that both Christian and Atheist can stand on to help humanity as a whole.
 
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A laudable goal - they do say you shouldn't criticise until you've walked a mile in another mans shoes.

And who knows maybe you'll find something on your search.
 
Isn't that just a little black and white?

Is the internet of God or of Satan?

What about oreos, of God or of Satan?

As for the quote, you are SO off base, it's frightening.

Let's look at the quote again, shall we?

I read about an Eskimo hunter who asked the local missionary priest, "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?"

"No," said the priest, "not if you did not know."

"Then why," asked the Eskimo earnestly, "did you tell me?"

- Annie Dillard, Pilgrim at Tinker Creed
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Now YOU said, "When presented with the gospel he rejected it." Where, in that incredibly short paragraph, does it say the Eskimo rejected the gospel?
 
Quite the contrary, in fact...I feel atheism is very practical and can REALLY benefit society, especially on its emphasis of the golden rule, which, sadly, isn't thought of enough in Christian evangleism.
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Sorry Azzie, but atheists can't fight an enemy they don't believe exists.

No gods, no devils.
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So would this be athiestic propaganda?

Gen
 
hescominsoon said:
DV,

yes it is black and white. It's scripture. There's no wiggle room in what i jsut said. It relaly is that simple. NO amount of spinning is going to change it..:)
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So is the Internet of God or not?

Now I REALLY want to hear this answer.
 
Depends on who you are for when you are on the internet wouldn't you say? All ends of the world would include that pesky eskimo and if the desire to finish what we have been told to do then to the ends of the world it is!!!! Now as for atheists, judgement will come and it is a lone adventure with nothing in between. I am ready r u?(would be best if WE brought you along tho)
 
Eon said:
A laudable goal - they do say you shouldn't criticise until you've walked a mile in another mans shoes.

And who knows maybe you'll find something on your search.
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If your an atheist, wouldnt you find nothing on your search?
 
"If your an atheist, wouldnt you find nothing on your search?"

haha, well, firstly, I'm NOT an atheist. I'm just trying one their shoes, trying to see things from their perspective. Maybe I didn't stress that point clearly enough...

Second, if nothing is found, I will have learned that there is nothing found. Very simple, really.
 
Arkanjel said:
If your an atheist, wouldnt you find nothing on your search?
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If I was then you're probably right. However I probably have more Gods in my head than any four or five people here, so there's no danger of that. :)
 
cc.slim said:
Depends on who you are for when you are on the internet wouldn't you say? All ends of the world would include that pesky eskimo and if the desire to finish what we have been told to do then to the ends of the world it is!!!! Now as for atheists, judgement will come and it is a lone adventure with nothing in between. I am ready r u?(would be best if WE brought you along tho)
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I'm ready!

(But I'm not holding my breath)
 
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