A question of Hell

A question of Hell - Hell...what is it?

  • An abscence from God

    Votes: 17 100.0%
  • A lake of fire (with new bodies)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • A lake of fire (without new bodies)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Darkness

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • The end of existance (AKA your soul is snuffed out)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other (please explain)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    17
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Quote[/b] (Big J @ Oct. 06 2003,5:42)]Just curious to hear what everyone believes.  Obviously, there isn't an atheist one, because atheists don't believe in hell.
Every Mystic who has been shown a Vision of Hell comes away shaking. Not very pleasant. Little 8 year old Jacinta -- the youngest Seer at Fatima, who was shown a Vision of Hell by Our Lady, afterward adopted such a hard regiment of Penance, to save the poor sinners, that it was too much for her frail little body and she died a Martyr to The Vision.

There is an interesting description of hell presented in Philip Kramer's "My Brief Experience in Eternity and What I Saw" -- a Web Search away -- it shows a Hell where Satan and the demons torment their victims forever.

One would hope for annihilation of the Soul before Eternal Suffering. However, Christ dying so that we all might live was a Blessing and a Curse. With Immortality came Indestructability. God could not simply blow us away like a puff of smoke or a soap bubble -- if He did not like us, He would have to dispose of us.

Why is Hell so cruel? Well, God is not in charge of it. Satan is in charge. And Satan, the same as any Dictator, would fear Rebellion. The Worst Souls come to him and he will keep them down, for his own protection. The Proud come strutting into Hell thinking that it isn't so bad and that in two weeks they will own the place. Adolf Hitler, Stalin, Bill Gates. But Satan throws them into the Lake of Fire, just to show them who's Boss. "What we have here is a failure to communicate". After a few thousand years writhing in pain, they get the message.

However, Our Lady has taught Catholics a strange inexplicable Prayer, which goes like this "O My Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell and lead all Souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of they Mercy". I've spoken to many fellow Catholics about that and it seems to be including the Souls in Hell. "All" souls. "Most need of Mercy".

As Christ's Dispensation was to open the Doors of Heaven, maybe the Dispensation of Mary will to be to break the Chains of Hell. The reason we may hope is, look at the Scriptures --even when Christ has disagreed with His Mother, He has always obeyed Her. At twelve He said "I must be about my Father's Business", but Mary said "You will get your little Butt home!". He came home. At 30 She said "Jesus, turn the Water into Wine". Jesus grumbled "It is not yet my time", to needle Her no doubt for Her having shut down His show back when He was twelve, but without wasting a moment He went and turned the Water into Wine.

So perhaps the Day of Judgement will have its Surprises. But don't get too cocky -- there is still Purgatory, and Purgatory is no picnic. The only good thing about Purgatory is that it is not Forever. But no one is turned loose until they know how to behave acceptably... and that may take a while for some of us. Especially if you don't think you have a problem. While we are on the subject -- it is prayers of the Faithful outside of Purgatory that brings relief to them. One of the greatest faults of Protestantism is its abandonment of those in Purgatory. With no prayers said for them, Prots will rot in purgatory forever.
 
there is no purgatory in the Bible this is an addon. Maybe it slipped Jesus' mind because he spent so much time talking about hell.

I mean hell wouldn't be such a big deal if you had a second chance with people praying for you and offering the church money to save your soul.

Wonder why Jesus put so much emphasis on hell if purgaotry existed....
 
[b said:
Quote[/b] (mpty @ Nov. 01 2003,7:12)]
[b said:
Quote[/b] ]Well, God is not in charge of it.  Satan is in charge

Just wondering if this an Biblical idea... is it?
What is Hell? Sheol? Ghenna? The Abyss? The Lake of Fire? Same locations? Different ones?

Satan and everyone not saved will be thrown into the Lake of Fire, to burn for all eternity, according to Revelations.
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So, Satan would not be "in charge" unless you want to count being in charge of burning. ;)
 
[b said:
Quote[/b] (Thaddius @ Nov. 01 2003,5:46)]Where in the Bible are we told about this so called purgatory?  

Cory
When the cover was closed on the Bible, no one had died yet. It took hanging around a little bit before enough Saints came back with warnings before everyone realized what was going on up there.

Now, the Catholic Church does come up with a few silly verses to justify Purgatory, but this is only because the Prots pressured them to come up with something. But the real answer is that every single Mystic has come back to report about Purgatory -- and this was even at the time of the Early Church when everyone fully expectant to see only Heaven or Hell and nothing in between. Purgatory was a big surprise. But you don't ignore it simply because it isn't doctrinally convenient. The Truth is the Truth whether it is a Pretty Truth, or a Convenient Truth or a Scripturally Supported Truth.

You have to remember -- the Bible only has one historical book of the early Church -- the book of Acts. It is only twenty some pages long. And its scope is not that wide -- it documents Peter's betrayal of the Church of Jerusalem and Paul's separation off to a separate and inferior Church of the Gentiles (of course Luke couched his terms in enough euphemisms so that his idiot enemies would think the blame actual praise and put it into print -- Protestants were always stupid). Anyway, the Bible was simply not comprehensive enough to cover the Discovery of Purgatory. But Church Teachings were solid on the Doctrine. You know, if Protestants will accept The Bible which was the Work of the Catholic Church, I wonder that they bulk at The Teachings of the Catholic Church. The Word of God is the Word of God whether Written or Spoken, no? Well, the Oral Gospel tells us of Purgatory.
 
[b said:
Quote[/b] ]The Truth is the Truth whether it is a Pretty Truth, or a Convenient Truth or a Scripturally Supported Truth.

And isn't this 'truth' of purgatory such a wonderful thing.  I mean according to  it, no matter what I do, so long as enough people pray for me after I die, I still get into Heaven.  Forget Christ's Book of Life!  Forget the White Throne Judgement!  I got PRAYERS!!!  


oh yeah, some folks are gonna be spewed....



Mpty--  The Devil being in charge of Hell, is as false a doctrine as they come (it ranks right up there with selling your soul to the devil)
 
[b said:
Quote[/b] ] Little 8 year old Jacinta -- the youngest Seer at Fatima, who was shown a Vision of Hell by Our Lady, afterward adopted such a hard regiment of Penance, to save the poor sinners, that it was too much for her frail little body and she died a Martyr to The Vision.  
So penance is masochism then. Where were her parents were they saying "oh look honey shes knifing herself again isnt that cute?" Yeshua took on all of our sins penance is not required of us only prayer and confessin to YHVH through Yeshua.
 
i remember a time in 1989 THE LORD had me camp out in front of the gates(two doors that open in the middle to the left and right) of hell for three days, and then at my pleading He removed me from in front of those gates on Christmas day as the sun came up. amen
i have now an excellent understanding of what hell is.
it is very hot! even in front of the gates.amen
i am nothing0.
JESUS IS THE LORD1PRAISE THE LORD1THE LORD YESHUA. AMEN
 
hey i just found this topic in my old topic tracker
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and maybe satan does tempt me or its his demons, all i know is that satan i dont think that satan himself would tempt me i think his skills would be more used on pastors or somethin and let his demons deal with us. thats just my thought. also yes demons were angels at one point, and some may maintian the angel look for trying to fool people into thinking their harmless, but i believe that they are not angels but evil little fiendish demons. that my belief. and wat is Purgatory??
 
I agree with your belief on demons tempting us and satan and higher demons tempting those of us thar are not as easily tempted. Purgatory from what I know is this. When you die you dont go to heaven or hell but purgatory. This allows people to pray for you and to commit penence (masochism) for your sins while on earth so you can go to heaven. Or somthing of the sort and no matter who you are you must be prayed out of purgatory. I dont hold these or any other catholic belief but this is what I know of purgatory.
[b said:
Quote[/b] ]afterward adopted such a hard regiment of Penance, to save the poor sinners,
Yeshua did that to save all of us to. I dont know why you wont accept his blood you dont need penence!!!!!
 
purgatory sounds kinda whacked but ok thanks pop drinker. and how can someone pray for u to get into heaven?? in the Bible it clearly states that after Jesus died he is the only way into heaven and any other way is not of the Lord(someone help me out i cant remember where verse is from).
 
lol i wonder wat the mormans would say bout this topic :P
 
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Quote[/b] (mrpopdrinker @ Nov. 06 2003,2:29)]
[b said:
Quote[/b] (Atown @ Nov. 06 2003,3:24)]lol i wonder wat the mormans would say bout this topic :P
That the catholics dont get their own planet?
LOL
[b said:
Quote[/b] ]Forget Catholicism
Forget Protestantism
Forget Islam and all the rest

With Mormonism...you get your own planet!
 
But what about calvinism? With that you can shoot yourself and go strait to heaven! Or even if you end up in hell it wouldent make a difference anyway.
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Purgatory does not exist anymore, Jesus removed it with Abrahams bosom to Paradise/Heaven.
Now all the predestinated in Christ Jesus:the saved go directly in the spirit with the soul to Heaven to await the FIRST RESURRECTION.
That is how there are Saints gatherd and THE THRONE OF GOd.
i am nothing0.
JESUS IS THE LORD1PRAISE THE LORD1THE LORD YESHUA. AMEN
 
I don't believe it ever existed at least not in a way where you can pay or pray your way out...
 
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