For a year now, I have been playing a warlock in WoW. Knowing this is a fantasy game, virtual, and don't use it for any gain in the real world, it didn't bother me as a Christian. But lately, I have been wondering; is playing a warlock like that of what Jesus said not to commit adultery? By that I mean where He said that even if you are lusting in your heart (meaning not the physical act), you are commiting adultery. Wouldn't that be the same for the virtual world?
A question about playing a class in WoW
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ppar3566
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Hi Davfor,
We have recently had a few threads about this or related issue in both General discussion and in dedicated WOW and GW forums. I assume you mean the whole magic thing, if so to summarise recent thread to the best of my knowledge:
1. If you have a problem with it and it worries you then no you should not play this class.
2. Any personal decision you make should not be forced onto others.
3. For me it is all about subtext. If the game, book, movie, etc. is at a subtext level promoting a moral ambiguity or evilness then I would have a problem with it (AKA golden compass). If on the other hand I find the subtext in line with Gods word and generally promotes good over evil then I wouldn't have aproblem with it (AKA Harry Potter). For me WoW and GW kinda fit in between in that they don't promote evilness or moral ambiguity in any serious way but they are essentially devoid of subtext as their main purpose is to make money. IOW for me they don't tend to be good or bad as i see them as shameless consumer products, and i play them to relax and nothing more.
We have recently had a few threads about this or related issue in both General discussion and in dedicated WOW and GW forums. I assume you mean the whole magic thing, if so to summarise recent thread to the best of my knowledge:
1. If you have a problem with it and it worries you then no you should not play this class.
2. Any personal decision you make should not be forced onto others.
3. For me it is all about subtext. If the game, book, movie, etc. is at a subtext level promoting a moral ambiguity or evilness then I would have a problem with it (AKA golden compass). If on the other hand I find the subtext in line with Gods word and generally promotes good over evil then I wouldn't have aproblem with it (AKA Harry Potter). For me WoW and GW kinda fit in between in that they don't promote evilness or moral ambiguity in any serious way but they are essentially devoid of subtext as their main purpose is to make money. IOW for me they don't tend to be good or bad as i see them as shameless consumer products, and i play them to relax and nothing more.
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Avesther
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Are you in your heart summoning these demons?
If it bothers you don't do it.
How is it different then playing monopoly where the aim of the game is to financially screw over your friends? Or a game of Battleship where the object is to sink the oppositions fleet? We know monopoly money isn't real nor are the boats in battleship? Yet we worry about a game where we push a button which triggers code in a computer that ultimatly changes pixels on a screen that makes a summoned creature appear, or the letter G appear in a letter.
If it bothers you don't do it.
How is it different then playing monopoly where the aim of the game is to financially screw over your friends? Or a game of Battleship where the object is to sink the oppositions fleet? We know monopoly money isn't real nor are the boats in battleship? Yet we worry about a game where we push a button which triggers code in a computer that ultimatly changes pixels on a screen that makes a summoned creature appear, or the letter G appear in a letter.
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Thank you both for answering. For a long time, I didn't roll a lock because of the idea of the class - spell and demons. No, I am not summoning nor have any thoughts of it in my everyday real life. Its the class mechanics that I like playing. I play as an affliction lock because to be really good dps, you have to get and practice a good rotation of damaging DoT's. Then some direct damage once in a while and maxing out the mana to dps ratio. Those are the aspects I enjoy. A month ago, I switched from my druid (feral for tanking) to my lock because I wanted to do something other than just be called up for tanking all the time. The people I play with were ok about it. But today, its just being on my mind and I don't know why if I am not practicing the evil in real life. Thats why I was wondering if its just me or something else.
ppar3566
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I think it is a good question and for some may be worth considering your reasons why you play. I would assume for some who play on more RP orientated servers they may have an issue as they come to embody their character for others it is just a game. I think it comes down to the purpose for why you play and what effect it has on you personally.
BTW a big hearty WELCOME to the forum. Don't forget to check out the WoW orientated forums to see what is happening in relation to our community.
BTW a big hearty WELCOME to the forum. Don't forget to check out the WoW orientated forums to see what is happening in relation to our community.
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first off welcome to CGA.
On to business, committing adultry while playing a warlock... does this imply looking too much at your subby?
Theres two ways to look at role playing games though in this sense. 1. is its just a game and theres nothing more to it. you play it and nothing happens and you enjoy the skill set and style of your character. Or 2. You choose to play Narrock - the infamous gnome warlock that brings dread and hatred to all Horde who fear and tremble at his name.
if the later is the case then it might be becoming an issue how your choosing to play your character and if your becoming too swallowed up in how you play and who u are when you play.
On to business, committing adultry while playing a warlock... does this imply looking too much at your subby?
Theres two ways to look at role playing games though in this sense. 1. is its just a game and theres nothing more to it. you play it and nothing happens and you enjoy the skill set and style of your character. Or 2. You choose to play Narrock - the infamous gnome warlock that brings dread and hatred to all Horde who fear and tremble at his name.
if the later is the case then it might be becoming an issue how your choosing to play your character and if your becoming too swallowed up in how you play and who u are when you play.
Avesther
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I believe it is that simple. I believe it is a simple matter to make a thing complex and as humans, we do this all the time.
Even in a RP a Christian can very simply adapt a back story to their toon, regardless of class, that is edifying to God.
I think you used a very good term, that I choose to reuse here: "they may have an issue as they come to embody their character." This is a personality issue, not a game issue. Any thing and everything can be twisted to serve the purpose of evil, even satan himself twisted God's word in hopes of tempting Christ. Jesus did not go to the temples afterwards and have them burn all the scrolls because the ultimate evil attempted to use it against him.
I think the oness is upto the game player and their family if they are under age to understand the possible effects of being exposed to the game. And if they feel that there is an issue within the game, it needs to be dealt with.
IMO, games such as WoW and War have much deeper issues then the "its a warlock" arguement. For instance...the addictive nature of MMO's that cause students to loose focus on studies, parents to loose focus on families, business owners to loose focus on business.
ppar3566
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Thank you for the welcomes
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Agreed. I think this is probebly the main issue. It scares me how long some ppl spend on these games.
BTW i edited my original post to remove the "it's not that simple bit" cause i changed my mind about it before I saw your post (hope no harm done). I think it kinda is a strait forward question in one way but again i think it all depends on you and the cognitions that go through your head as you play.
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But but I do have land to sell for 5 billion! j/k
Well, I know Christ talks to us in the small voice in our hearts. And He will hit us like a brick with the small, still voice. Even when the choice we made was great at the time or so we thought.
That is what happened today with me. On Sunday (Holy day). Of course, we are to hold everyday as sacred but we are commanded to keep the Sabbath. Ok, sorry for the rabbit hole. Anyway, it bothered me a lot today when I was just playing my lock. I have no intent of being a evil lock or summoning. Not the least. But, my heart has been heavy. So, either I am going with some depression or Christ is talking to me and saying "No" to lock. Funny thing was, today, I just was talking to a buddy and he needed a tank for the Headless Horseman and I just popped up with my paladin. The changes to paladins are awesome and got me curious all over again as a sword and shield. Although a paladin in WoW doesn't follow Christ and it is a game, we are commanded "Whatever we do, do it for the glory of GOD." And even though it is a game, we still should do for the glory of God. This is what I feel now. I think Christ hasn't been too happy with me this year. I haven't been in the Word but I still pray to Him.
j/kWell, I know Christ talks to us in the small voice in our hearts. And He will hit us like a brick with the small, still voice. Even when the choice we made was great at the time or so we thought.
That is what happened today with me. On Sunday (Holy day). Of course, we are to hold everyday as sacred but we are commanded to keep the Sabbath. Ok, sorry for the rabbit hole. Anyway, it bothered me a lot today when I was just playing my lock. I have no intent of being a evil lock or summoning. Not the least. But, my heart has been heavy. So, either I am going with some depression or Christ is talking to me and saying "No" to lock. Funny thing was, today, I just was talking to a buddy and he needed a tank for the Headless Horseman and I just popped up with my paladin. The changes to paladins are awesome and got me curious all over again as a sword and shield. Although a paladin in WoW doesn't follow Christ and it is a game, we are commanded "Whatever we do, do it for the glory of GOD." And even though it is a game, we still should do for the glory of God. This is what I feel now. I think Christ hasn't been too happy with me this year. I haven't been in the Word but I still pray to Him.
Neirai the Forgiven
Christian Guilds List Manager
So play your lock to the glory of God. If, however, you feel that you cannot do that, do not go against your conscience. If you do that, you'll be training yourself to ignore your conscience, and that's bad.
I have a level 61 warlock, a level 70 druid, a level 70 paladin, a level 70 shaman, and a level 68 warrior. I don't see any difference between one or another in terms of morality. Is a warlock (a "demon" class) better than a druid (a "pantheist" class) or a shaman (a "earth spirits" class?) Or, for that matter, is a paladin (a "the force" or, in TBC, "alien power" class) or a warrior (a "kill kill kill" class) somehow better than those with religious connotations?
Paladins in WoW are not holy, if holy means "connected to God (God being YHWH.)" They are not Christian. They are just as Christian as WoW-warlocks, as WoW-shamans, as Illidain.
On the flip side, the Burning Crusade are not demons, if demons mean "spiritual beings who are fundamentally opposed to or opposing the will of God." They are just as demonic as paladins. Or screwdrivers, automatic transmissions, and pencils. In Warcraft lore, they aren't even spiritual beings that are opposed to or opposing the will of God. They are more or less interdimensional aliens who wield strong forces and use these forces (magic) to enthrall, corrupt, and consume their prey. In short, they're the Warcraft equivalent of interstellar anglerfish.
On a more important note: Christ loves you. Period. He loves you enough that he died for you. And by loves you I mean that he's never "not too happy" with you. He's patient with you, and you might not be too happy with you this year, but that doesn't mean he agrees with you on that. You are forgiven. And that means any guilt that clings to you after you confess your sins (like you just did, not being in the Word, etc) does not come from Christ, by definition. He has forgotten and is loving you. You are worried that he's mad. Boy, I really should read this and apply it to my own life.. I'm such a hypocrite in this matter, thinking that Jesus is mad or sad or had it with me and my ways... it's a lie, so don't believe it!
Ramblefactory? I think so too.
I have a level 61 warlock, a level 70 druid, a level 70 paladin, a level 70 shaman, and a level 68 warrior. I don't see any difference between one or another in terms of morality. Is a warlock (a "demon" class) better than a druid (a "pantheist" class) or a shaman (a "earth spirits" class?) Or, for that matter, is a paladin (a "the force" or, in TBC, "alien power" class) or a warrior (a "kill kill kill" class) somehow better than those with religious connotations?
Paladins in WoW are not holy, if holy means "connected to God (God being YHWH.)" They are not Christian. They are just as Christian as WoW-warlocks, as WoW-shamans, as Illidain.
On the flip side, the Burning Crusade are not demons, if demons mean "spiritual beings who are fundamentally opposed to or opposing the will of God." They are just as demonic as paladins. Or screwdrivers, automatic transmissions, and pencils. In Warcraft lore, they aren't even spiritual beings that are opposed to or opposing the will of God. They are more or less interdimensional aliens who wield strong forces and use these forces (magic) to enthrall, corrupt, and consume their prey. In short, they're the Warcraft equivalent of interstellar anglerfish.
On a more important note: Christ loves you. Period. He loves you enough that he died for you. And by loves you I mean that he's never "not too happy" with you. He's patient with you, and you might not be too happy with you this year, but that doesn't mean he agrees with you on that. You are forgiven. And that means any guilt that clings to you after you confess your sins (like you just did, not being in the Word, etc) does not come from Christ, by definition. He has forgotten and is loving you. You are worried that he's mad. Boy, I really should read this and apply it to my own life.. I'm such a hypocrite in this matter, thinking that Jesus is mad or sad or had it with me and my ways... it's a lie, so don't believe it!
Ramblefactory? I think so too.
Odale
Active Member
I played WoW too and I played a Warlock... his name was Osirys... who was in Redeemed.
Wonderful, huh?
I was just role-playing. I thought it made a pretty good name for a Warlock.
I did not bother me. Because to me, it was just a game.
Just like Neirai said above, Warlocks are just as Christian as "Holy" Paladins are. /rolleyes.
All that matters is what's inside
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Wonderful, huh?
I was just role-playing. I thought it made a pretty good name for a Warlock.
I did not bother me. Because to me, it was just a game.
Just like Neirai said above, Warlocks are just as Christian as "Holy" Paladins are. /rolleyes.
All that matters is what's inside
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