No 9/11 remembrance?

Corpfox

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I'm surprised there is nothing about it on American TV.

So far, I watched 9/11 documentary on the National Geographic and United 93 film.

I feel sorrow the people that lost their lives in 9/11. :(
 
History Channel had a special on 9/11 conspiracies. Was pretty decent.
 
History I believe had something compiled of personal footage from video cameras, but I was getting my butt kicked at work so.
 
10 years have passed. If you ask me, its time to move on. Bad things happen, learn from it and do what can be done. But don't let yourself, or worse, a nation, be trapped by it. It is a shining example of how religion can be used to destroy lives. The 2000 people were just the beginning. How many people took their own lives or lived devastated to this day after losing a fortune on the financial markets?
 
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10 years have passed. If you ask me, its time to move on. Bad things happen, learn from it and do what can be done. But don't let yourself, or worse, a nation, be trapped by it. It is a shining example of how religion can be used to destroy lives. The 2000 people were just the beginning. How many people took their own lives or lived devastated to this day after losing a fortune on the financial markets?

It was 9 years ago. And generally I am of the same opinion that the past is the past, but I also am going to be a history major and I fully believe there is an important of remembering and honoring the past. Not to get bogged down and depressed from it, but to remember and learn from it like you said. I do not believe the nation is trapped by 9/11, I believe the nation is remembering and honoring those lost, much like people still remember and honor the servicemen and woman who died on Dec. 7th, Pearl Harbor.

I also don't understand how religion ties into this conversation, other than maybe the Quran burning and/or praying for those who have died. However, I do agree with your point that the institution of religion can and frequently is used to destroy.

Also, there death toll is just shy of 3,000 people, but those lives where lost not by choice. For the most part, those playing the stock market when it collapsed should have known the risks they were taking. And I don't understand the parallel between the lives lost in the Tower attacks and the stock market crash. Just because today is 9/11 does not mean America is forgetting our economic state is abysmal at best.

It is time to move on, it is not healthy to live in fear or hatred, and I believe people have already moved on. But never forget.
 
Oddly enough, we had some remembrance on local and national radio all weekend. I don't watch TV, so I can't comment.


Edit: later on I had this thought: Blaming Islam for 9/11 is like blaming Irish blood for the IRA. Blaming religion for 9/11 is like blaming human diversity for the IRA. It's far, far too broad.
 
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Local stations and various channels on cable were covering it. I don't think there is anything wrong about having a 9/11 memorial. It's nice that people's thoughts are with those who died and suffered. We celebrate Memorial Day every year to remember those who died in times of war. 9/11 marked an important event in the beginning of another war.
 
Thanks Stc - that is pretty much what I thought as well.

It is worth remembering - like Pearl Harbor - to honor those lost. It is not about religion or blaming or not moving on. It is about honoring the lost.

There were local remembrances around here. I don't watch TV so I can't really speak to that coverage - but it was all over the internet and the newspapers - even with the distraction of the crack-pot stuff in Florida.
 
thoughts:

We will never forget.

side thought:
the quran burning, all the while i do not condone it, believe in our freedom to speech. I would say however in paraphrase form, all things are lawful for me to do, but not all things are good for me to do.
 
thoughts:

We will never forget.

side thought:
the quran burning, all the while i do not condone it, believe in our freedom to speech. I would say however in paraphrase form, all things are lawful for me to do, but not all things are good for me to do.

Nice post :)
 
My guess is that there is a lull @ 9 years because everyone is getting ready for their big 10-year special...or because it's been more than a few months and we have very short attention spans nowadays. :( There's also the anti-war stuff and the qu'ran burning.
 
Romans 14:5-6
One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it.
 
I'm surprised there is nothing about it on American TV.

So far, I watched 9/11 documentary on the National Geographic and United 93 film.

I feel sorrow the people that lost their lives in 9/11. :(

While I agree and still remember those who lost their lives, I was actually able to talk to a man who helped out as a ex-EMT who helped out at 9/11.

It was interesting because while many say lets remember (and I'm not picking on you ^_^) He actually said lets not, because it brings back the memories of the things he saw, the people he saw pass before him, and everything he went through.

If he gives me his story in a email that he said he might do, I will post it up, but the good news is that he uses his story to help homeless war vets in NYC get back on their feet. Many of them can't believe what he's been through, and realize that he can connect with them!

So God bless!, while many negative, and destructive things happened on 9/11 and still continue to happen, there is good that is coming of it, even if it seems small :D

-Rez
 
sorry kinda forgot about this thread.

True, we have to remember the past, memorials are important and all, but we can't keep this up forever. Eventually it will fade into the annals of history. I for one think that building something even grander and stronger in its place will be a smack in the face to whoever smashed it down. I'm not gonna get started on conspiracy theories here. They kicked butt in iraq, and are still killing terrorists today. I was 9 when it happened, and now I'm playing terrorist inspired games. Killing terrorists that is. It certainly changed our world, for better or for worse. However keeping that place as an empty wreck for 9 years in the middle of the city isn't in my opinion the right thing to do.

As for the quoran burning, I think it is just someone trying to get attention, and he sure got it. These things happen all the time. You arn't gona change anything by burning a book. Maybe get assassinated by some extremist. Certainly not make them quit.
 
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You arn't gona change anything by burning a book. Maybe get assassinated by some extremist. Certainly not make them quit.

Haha, you haven't read Fahrenheit 451 then.

And the Nazi's certainly changed something when they burned books. And the Soviets. And the society in the novel. Book burning is extremely symbolic and while it may seem trivial, it's just paper right?, the message behind is transcends mere fire and paper.

I was also 8 or 9 when it happened and I would like to go see the wreckage in NY and pay my respect, and I hope they never clear it up.
 
The scar in the middle of NY is a humiliation of your nation's failures to stop it, and a reminder to be more careful. However, it is a victory monument to the extremists. I'm not going to call out muslims in general. Here, we live in peace. Every religion (even our own) has extremists. However, this is a testament to their success, and by building something even more majastic and iconic on it, you folks would essentially be healing and saying they can't lord over you and make you live in fear anymore.

Also, burning a book will only work if you burn all or the majority of korans in the world, stop them from printing new ones, and pull the plug on the internet (NOOOOEEESSS IT IS NOT A SUGGESTION leave dah internets alone). And keep the pressure up for several generations. Then maybe you can wipe out half of them. Besides that being genocide and highly immoral, it wouldn't work.

Even with the extreme persecution in the past, one thing that never changes is motivated people who are prepared to risk their life for a cause. Not by dying gloriously for it by going into the open and getting shot proclaiming their faith, but by underground communities, such as the Church in China had been for many years. You can't stamp beliefs out if there are people in the world motivated to stick by it.

Yes, you can make life VERY HARD for a specific group of people. But you can't eradicate their beliefs completely.
On this scale, a few people burning several books, is just going to trigger retaliation and worldwide anger. Or people may be smart enough to just let it slide and not get worked up over nothing. But extremists ain't smart people innit?

TL;DR Its a symbol of remembrance to you, but a victory monument to them. Wipe that smile off their face and throw them a good ol fashioned nuke. Burn them out of their caves and whereever it is terrorists meet.
 
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Also, burning a book will only work if you burn all or the majority of korans in the world, stop them from printing new ones, and pull the plug on the internet (NOOOOEEESSS IT IS NOT A SUGGESTION leave dah internets alone). And keep the pressure up for several generations.

I don't think that would help them see the light. The problem is that they have a certain thing drilled into their heads from day 1, and society reinforces that too. I'd say the internet would be one of their best means of finding the truth. That's why China and North Korea censor so heavily.

Then maybe you can wipe out half of them. Besides that being genocide and highly immoral, it wouldn't work.

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Wipe that smile off their face and throw them a good ol fashioned nuke. Burn them out of their caves and whereever it is terrorists meet.

/confused

I suggest we:
Be peacemakers (Matt 5:9)
Be salt and light (Matt 5:13)
Let our light shine before them (Matt 5:14-16)
Turn the other cheek (Matt 5:38-42)
Love our enemies (Matt 5:43-48)
 
Haha, you haven't read Fahrenheit 451 then.

And the Nazi's certainly changed something when they burned books. And the Soviets. And the society in the novel. Book burning is extremely symbolic and while it may seem trivial, it's just paper right?, the message behind is transcends mere fire and paper....

I disagree.

While burning a holy book certainly does send a message, it is very extreme and only temporary.

Both the Nazis and Soviets were extremists; Nazis to the far right of the political spectrum and Soviets to the far left. Both sides burned books to send a message. Was it helpful? Sure, in the short term. But I seriously doubt it was as useful to either systems as their other measurements of propaganda were.

Fahrenheit 451 and Burning Koran (Qu'ran, however you want to spell it) have one thing in common... burning books - that's it. Fahrenheit 451 was about keeping people ignorant and uniform in a fictitious "utopia." Burning the Koran is all about hatred/intolerance.

Stc95 said:
I was also 8 or 9 when it happened and I would like to go see the wreckage in NY and pay my respect, and I hope they never clear it up.

I want them to hurry up and build the Freedom Tower already. If the U.S. sits around all day and sulks in the loss of all the lives that day, then the terrorists (in my mind) won. I am not saying that those people deserved to die, or that its nothing that they died... they were our countrymen and women, our brothers and sisters, our moms and dads that died that day. Do you think they want us to sit around and sulk? Or do they want us to move on? I'm not trying to be disrespectful, it isn't my intent, but I think as a nation we should get up and brush off our shoulders.
 
I want them to hurry up and build the Freedom Tower already. If the U.S. sits around all day and sulks in the loss of all the lives that day, then the terrorists (in my mind) won. I am not saying that those people deserved to die, or that its nothing that they died... they were our countrymen and women, our brothers and sisters, our moms and dads that died that day. Do you think they want us to sit around and sulk? Or do they want us to move on? I'm not trying to be disrespectful, it isn't my intent, but I think as a nation we should get up and brush off our shoulders.

Agree. Problem is nothing is being done, with 2 camps of people fighting amongst themselves. Theres my type who says you should build something amazing on top of it to show that they can't do this to you, and theres those that say it should be either left as a wreck or build a little memorial.
 
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