Modernism vs Post-Modernism, in the Church

Durruck said:
A decent chunk of Proverbs were actually written long before Solomon's time, in a region that did not follow our God. Universal Truths are universally true... that is, they do not depend on a specific time, place or person to apply.
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To further comment on this idea, back before people had jobs, there was a system known as "patronage." Under they patronage system, if a ruler or noble was (or considered themselves) a notable artist or art critic of some sort, and also enjoyed a great variety of art, artist of that type would congregate to their courts in order to get money by presenting art to the "patron."

For example, in the Renaissance, England's Queen Elizabeth I was an accomplished poet; her court soon became packed with poets who hoped to win her favor, which brought with it money and fame.

According to Historical criticism, Solomon, being the wisest king ever, probably attracted to his court wise sages from around the world, which is why the world's greatest non-Judaic wisdom is found nestled inside the proverbs.

Fortunately, Solomon was wise enough to discern which sayings were Universal Truths, that is, that they were the words of God, even though they came through the unbelievers.
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Just like Queen Elizabeth I would critique her poets' works, so would Solomon. In this way, pagan knowledge that flew in the face of truth would be stress-tested and eliminated.
 
Logos said:
he would often comment that our "version" of the OT is not exactly properly in order
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Correct. If you look at the layout, it's clearly not in chronological order. The Pentateuch is grouped, as are the historic text (Kings, Chronicles, et al), then the poetic texts (Songs of Solomon, Psalms) then the major prophets, then the minor prophets.

I may be getting some of the labels incorrect, but you can definitely see that they are grouped by function, not by time or location.

The NT is grouped, too. The Gospels, then the letters to the specific cities/regions, letters to the scattered Jewish tribes, and finally the prophetic text of Revelation. A chronological ordering would actually have the letter of James very early - top 3-5 most likely, not 20th. James was one of the first texts sent out.
 
Logos said:
When you say post-liberals...well could you define a bit more for me? You meaning liberal as a normal conservative would see it...or is "post"-liberal something different entirely? Sorry that term through me off a bit...
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Sorry, Logos, I missed this question.

A post-liberal is a liberal who embraces post-modernism. While a liberal would say "my liberal view is the only view with merit," a post-liberal would say "my liberal view is the one I am most comfortable with, but it is not the only view with merit." Therefore, a post-liberal comes from a liberal perspective but holds that perspective lightly, hopefully with humility.

Basically anytime I use the prefix "post-" I am referring to postmodernists with a particular background or foundation.
 
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