Botting and Match Manipulation

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Abba San

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I saw where 3,700 accounts were deleted for botting and match manipulation. What exactly is that and how did they do that?

I accidentally posted this over in CGA. OrryW gave me a response - but I'd like to hear what GW people have to say.
 
Yeah, people were using a botting program... There is one made for EVERY popular online game... You set it up to repeat certain actions...and it does it...until you tell it to stop... I used one that was legal for a game in which botting was legal... It is stupid, even if it is okay...

And PvP match manipulation could be many things...one of which OrryW already covered, the other is using a controlled internet signal, so you can lag yourself to teleport, happens in ALL online games...
 
XionTawa said:
And PvP match manipulation could be many things...one of which OrryW already covered, the other is using a controlled internet signal, so you can lag yourself to teleport, happens in ALL online games...
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Actually, in Guild Wars, when you teleport from lag they teleport you back, leading to disjointed skill use and making it so you have a very, very high probability of dying. (the lack of a Z-axis makes the chances you moving anywhere useful very slim)

More likely it was the guilds involved in "Champ farming" you pay a guild, you try to keep a certain rating that is just enough to get Champion points (the GvG title) and the other team (that you paid) just resigns.
 
Yes, match manipulation is just that: teams of bots running through the automated tournaments or heroes ascent, either resigning when running across another team programmed to win, or using bots to perform specific tasks. Some bots typically used were known as "interrupt bots", usually rangers or mesmers that would be set to shut down an opposing player such as a monk or offensive spellcaster.

There were also the bots used for pve farming, such as the monk bots out of bergen hot springs, just to name one, or the ones that farmed the snowball fights in eotn during wintersday. Drunkard botters were also banned.

Not every one of the 3700 were individual people. Many people had multiple accounts. I saw one where someone had upwards of 20 accounts. The bans were more than just account key bans too: they applied to ip addresses of bots and credit card number used to purchase on a account. So if you had a main that never botted, but had 7 other bot accounts from your pc or credit card, that non-botted account would still be banned since it was probably the one that benefitted from the bots in the first place.
 
OrryW said:
Actually, in Guild Wars, when you teleport from lag they teleport you back, leading to disjointed skill use and making it so you have a very, very high probability of dying. (the lack of a Z-axis makes the chances you moving anywhere useful very slim)
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I have noticed that, and when my router acts up it is rather annoying...I have been sent back half way across an area before...Old MMORPGs used to do that, but then I rather liked it when newer ones changed that system to uploading priority over downloading priority...however, the old system of download priority does make PvP manipulation hard video signal manipulation...but it makes lag very noticeable and annoying...
 
I guess people forget it is just a game - or they are obsessed with reaching certain levels in the game, no matter what it takes.

I bet those people are real fun in real life.
 
Abba side note, you aren't the only one to accidentally post in the wrong forum, I did it with the Supreme Court decision, oooooppppppppssssssssssss. I agree people forget it is a game, but it is possible to make real cash by botting too. Look at the people who sell ig gold for real life cash. Agreed you still have two parties that will do anything to get ahead in life and in game. But there is quit a bit of money to be made with bots.
 
In EQ2, selling of characters and in game items/money is legal, so some people honestly work hard to make money off of the game, and others cheat and use illegal (botting) methods to make real money...but when you look at it...you are hurting others by doing it, so how is it any different from such major crimes as Identity Theft...yet many people do it...some probably don't know what they are doing is illegal...
 
XionTawa said:
In EQ2, selling of characters and in game items/money is legal, so some people honestly work hard to make money off of the game, and others cheat and use illegal (botting) methods to make real money...but when you look at it...you are hurting others by doing it, so how is it any different from such major crimes as Identity Theft...yet many people do it...some probably don't know what they are doing is illegal...
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Yeah, but there is a big difference between games where bots/macros are legal and the ones where it's specifically forbidden. In Star Wars Galaxies, they even included a macro system. Now, there were specific commands that didn't exist in the macro, such as an auto-attack and walking/running, and it was forbidden to use said macros while AFK.

Devs there even had fun with the Real-Money-Traders and such, by setting loose a bunch of Dark Jedi Masters in the midst of the chat spammers, automatically changing their overall status to Overt PVP, and my favorite: putting them on the Bounty Hunter Player Bounty list. Come to think of it, that was my main complaint in Guild Wars' instanced everything... I missed the persistant world where that sort of action and gameplay was actually possible.
 
Yeah, botting had become a real problem in GW lately. There were a ton of threads started about it over on Guru. Apparently someone had released a ton of bots over on the QQ forums and made the available for free to everyone.

There are bots for RA, GvG, HA, raptor farming, FA, JQ, Vaettir Farming, Auto-interrupt bots, auto-vanquisher bots, DOA bots, etc etc etc etc. I quit PvP altogether because if you weren't running an interrupt bot or 2 on your team you had no chance of winning and almost every team and every pug required you to run a bot or 2. There are bots that can auto detect the weapons and skillbars of all your opponents and display them to you in an easy format. This was a big advantage to PvP.

Raptor Farming bots had gotten so bad that it was impossible to enter Riven Earth. There were so many bots farming it, the lag was tremendous.

And of course many people were complaining about it and upset that A-net wasn't doing anything to stop it apparently. Others though were simply saying bots were here to stay and if you didn't bot, you were a loser.

I had seriously cut back my GW time. One of my goals ingame has always been to acquire one of the rare minis, but they're limited and with all the botters able to accumulate over 1 million gold per day, a normal non-botter like me can't compete on the market. So it looked like if you don't cheat, you can't have any of the nicer rares.

It was VERY nice to finally see A-net step in and squash the botters with a big banhammer.....er, banscythe.
 
What good is all that gold doing them now?

What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit his very self? Luke 9:25 (NIV)
 
TheRaven said:
Yeah, botting had become a real problem in GW lately. There were a ton of threads started about it over on Guru. Apparently someone had released a ton of bots over on the QQ forums and made the available for free to everyone.
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They released it to force a response from ArenaNet, however the bots you came across in RA were incredibly bad, so you could kill them rather easily.
 
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