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Gods_Peon said:
Actually, quite honest, when I posted above what I did I was quite on edge. Reading through your posts it has become quite appearant that most people here tend to lean left or to the socialist spectrum of the scale.

So in the spirit of this thread, if I hear atrocities in combination with corporate america one more time, I'm going to blow up. Wait a minute, I already did in this thread. Imagine that :) Now that I win, what did I win?
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I always wanted a T-Shirt that said "I'm so far right I can't be wrong". But seriously I think everyone likes to be a bit socialist every now and then. I trust everyone who has gone to college has been a Marxist for a least an hour during their introductory sociology class and this has to leave a stain somewhere on your soul. I used to wear Che t-shirts for real. Now I just wear them cause I find it ironic that they a mass produced to make money of rich college kids.

Ah how I miss my idealistic self.
 
vibrokatana said:
Luckily you can avoid being either "left" or "right", it is called libertarianism and is much better then the faux pas two party corporate dictatorship we have today.
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We don't really have a left choice over here. It is either right or even righter or even righter still. I claim to be centre left (not sure what it means but it sounds nice).
 
I don't think disliking corporate jargon necessarily translates into being anti-corporations.

I would definitely consider myself right of the middle, but some of the terminology is just obnoxious. Tek showed me some of his old work emails, and it was like another language. Kinda funny, really.
 
Ember said:
I don't think disliking corporate jargon necessarily translates into being anti-corporations.
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QFT.

Corporate-speak is an affront against the English language and doubleplusungood (see what I did there?), no matter your political leaning.
 
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I work in retail, so I LOATHE the words "It has to look good for customers" I can't express my full opinion on htis for many reasons, but suffice it to say, if they were any more disrespectful and lazy, they'd be calling us to see if we deliver..
 
Tek7 said:
QFT.

Corporate-speak is an affront against the English language and doubleplusungood (see what I did there?), no matter your political leaning.
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The jargon you so dislike are economic realities. And yet you really can't come up with alternatives.


let me give you an example: I say "I need to grow my business to keep up with the CPI or else my income will fall behind cost of living and eventually my business will no long be viable."

Your preferance is: ___________________________________
 
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Gods_Peon said:
let me give you an example: I say "I need to grow my business to keep up with the CPI or else my income will fall behind cost of living and eventually my business will no long be viable."

Your preferance is: ___________________________________
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"If we don't get more customers, we'll have to shut the business down and work for someone else."
 
But as your employee Tek, I'm already working for somebody else, so why should I care if you have to work for somebody else. I mean after all, you are part of the "Man" the "Machine" that keeps us workers down. So, I'm really not going to put much effort into something that will benefit you. I'm really in no different of boat should you choose to close your business, I'll just find another "man" or part of the "Machine" that will exploit me anyway.
 
Gods_Peon said:
Actually, quite honest, when I posted above what I did I was quite on edge. Reading through your posts it has become quite appearant that most people here tend to lean left or to the socialist spectrum of the scale.

So in the spirit of this thread, if I hear atrocities in combination with corporate america one more time, I'm going to blow up. Wait a minute, I already did in this thread. Imagine that :) Now that I win, what did I win?
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We don't like butchered English, so we're socialists?

As I see it, corporate America is neither good nor evil. There are some awesome corporations out there that do a lot for society (charity contributions and the like), and some that twist or break the law and promote evil things (porn industry, for example).

It's also true that the corporate world is the biggest jargon generator we have. I am not shy about calling it like it is. If the business world is butchering English, then that's who hears about it. The same goes for education or the church.

I am conservative in nearly every area. I'm also pro-capitalism. And I find being labeled as leaning "to the left or to the socialist spectrum" quite insulting.
 
I also take offense to that label. I'm probably as far from a socialist as you can get. While I do believe in (and have supported) feeding the hungry, having soup kitchens, homeless shelters and the like, I sway far to the conservative end in many of my beliefs. But I'm not afraid to vote the candidate that will vote my values, even if they're democrat, independent or libertarian.

My problem with social programs lays in the abuse of them. I have a rare perspective - as part of my job, the people on the system call me into their houses because they want more services from me. I go in these houses on people that have no jobs, no desire to get one... and they are complete mooches on the system. They have a nicer can than mine in the driveway, a bigger flat-screen TV, digital cable or satellite, decent furnishings, in a decent house, utilities all paid for... and it's all been paid for by people like me, that work 50-70 hours a week - that work hard for what they have, and pay taxes on every single dollar I get. I really try hard to not "hate" anyone, but I can't help but feel some serious resentment at how they manipulate the system and potentially take away from someone that really CAN'T work (rather than WON'T work) or someone that really is going to starve or freeze to death if they can't find a place to go.... all because they don't feel like taking a shower and going to flip burgers at McD's. I've worked at McD's twice because I was desperate for a job to pay my bills. They will employ just about anyone.

There's nothing wrong with needing a helping hand, and taking it when it's there. But to keep biting the arm that feeds you by asking for more? That's just lazy, greedy, and abusive.

I'm glad that I'm not at work today. I'd probably want to punch the next person that calls me to abuse my services because they feel like they deserve better treatment than the next guy, just because they're being supported 100% by social support systems. So I guess the phrase that makes me want to scream is "I only called you so I can get in the back instead of waiting in the lobby."
 
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Gods_Peon said:
But as your employee Tek, I'm already working for somebody else, so why should I care if you have to work for somebody else. I mean after all, you are part of the "Man" the "Machine" that keeps us workers down. So, I'm really not going to put much effort into something that will benefit you. I'm really in no different of boat should you choose to close your business, I'll just find another "man" or part of the "Machine" that will exploit me anyway.
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I work for Starbucks Corporation, not the customers that come in my store. I work for my manager, and take direction and orders from him. the only orders I fulfill from my customers are their requests for drinks. If someone comes in, and demands a drink, and is being unruly and obnoxious, i am under no obligation to fulfill their "demands." My customers may be the ultimate source of my paycheck, but they are not the ones signing it.

Also, there is no part of my job that makes me feel like "The Man" is "keeping me down." Corporate may come up with some dumb stuff (such as our newest promotion, healthful smoothies, despite there being a store devoted to them in the same shopping center), I'll still do it. not because of "the violence inherent in the system" that is "repressing" me, but because it's my job. I'm paid to make coffee, espresso drinks and blended beverages, and as a Shift Supervisor, I'm also paid to deal with customers, other employees, and money.

I may be a "cog" in the corporate "Machine," but hey, the pay's decent, and the benefits are pretty darn good.
 
To be honest i feel like I agree with Gods Peon on the corporate issue\word usage. I have tons of experience working in retail as a manager...for corporations no less. We have used the terms "build the brand" and "grow the company" on many occasions and I'm sure no corporation will cease to find new ways of imploring their people to do those things by using phrases just like those. While I may not be fond of those phrases, I do understand their uses and can be passive enough to allow them (companies) to do what they feel they must to get their employees to help back them. I'm not saying they couldn't change their wording and be just as effective but they have obviously seen results with what they use now or else they wouldn't continue on the trend. I asked my dad today about it as well, and he said that those were phrases used even back when he was managing different retail\grocery stores. The reality of it is that your work is what you make of it....you choose to keep that job when those things bother you when in reality you could change that quite easily by leaving the company to go elsewhere that doesn't use word phrasing like that.

Other than that, why let it bother you so much? IMO if it bothers you its because you allow it to do so.
 
I guess that corporate-speak grates on my nerves because I associate it with groupthink.

I've worked for managers that have been able to clearly communicate their goals and expectations without using buzzwords. I don't assume that every person in a management role is a tool. And I don't believe that corporations have to be evil to be successful, but I do recognize that groups of people will do nasty things to gain power and then retain power. See: Enron, British Empire, De Beers, etc.

I understand that the purpose of a company is to make a profit, but I don't believe a company has to exploit its customers or others to do so.

I understand that businesspeople need to communicate their ideas, but I don't believe they need to use buzzwords to do so.

There are plenty of great companies out there with managers who speak clearly and effectively. The purpose of this thread is not to dismiss those people and companies, but to vent our frustration at the people who butcher the English language.

If this venting offends some people, then it would be best to close this thread and end the discussion.
 
I am flabbergasted that you did not mention Microsoft, Tek...

I think I am getting light headed...

Here it comes...








Nope never mind.
 
Odale said:
I am flabbergasted that you did not mention Microsoft, Tek...
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Coordinating with hardware vendors to pushing a bloated OS with no significant new features on new computer owners and failing to resolve a major hardware defect in a major video game console is a far cry from exploiting indigenous populations, "cooking the books" then enjoying a golden parachute, and conspiring to fix market prices.
 
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