Yuor thoughts on homosexuality.

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The-Messenjah

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I am jsut wondering what your thoughts on homosexuality are. i have just started listening to the band taTu,and as a lot of you will know they are lesbians. now i never had a problem with gay/bis/lez, but since i started listening to their music i have been wondering about the whole deal with that and how as i christian i should deal with that.

This is my conclusion.

I dont agree with homosexuality, but someones way of life shouldnt affect the way i treat them. God loves them no matter what they are, so i should do the same thing. i have heard a lot of christians say "why do you like them? arent they lesbians? i mean who gives a #### if they are or not? if they have good music, then why should it matter. this is something that really ticks me off. now if they were hurting someone or something, then that would be different. all they are doing is loving each other. i dont see the problem in that. (i know that it is wrong, but it is hardly a basis to not listen to them)

I have just had a war on the taTu.us forums about this, and, surprise, surprise, the christians that posted there were just bigots. it made me sick. they didnt mind taTu, but they were bagging all of the momosexuals on the board. now what good is that going to do? all it will do is give them a negative veiw on christians. what i believe is we should make friends with them and show them BY OUR EXAMPLES that there is a better way to live. not by ramming it down their throats.

oh well this is just thoughts, and please reply
 
Umm......T.A.T.U.'s got boyfriends....but they like each other at the same time. They're not lezzes, they're bi's.
ANd I never heard of a "momosexual" before. Lol.
OKay. I'm a hateful bigot. I'm gonna give you the heads-up right now. I can't homosexuals or their lifestyles. I tend to edge away from people who proclaim to be gay and support it.
Yeah yeah yeah. We all say "Hate the sin, love the sinner." Uh-uh. I refuse. Scriptures also state that bad company corrupts good morals, so hanging out with gays is no way to do it, and letting them be part of your church is freaking screwed. In my city, we have a Jewish church. Then we have the Christian flag on top of its pole, and beneath that the Rainbow Flag, the gayflag, as I like to call it.
CAn I say screwed up? That is a total contradiction in terms for one. Gays ARE NOT CHRISTIAN. Just FYI. They can say it, but they are not unless they are dead to that sin. They must forfeit it as we must forfeit all sins. We don't always do it, but you cannot say, "I'm gay and I love God and God loves me so forget you, bigots."
Some people got enraged when I used the term "infiltrated by the queer." I had no pun intended, but some, I forget their name (seriously), said something about "Hateful" "Malicious" "Subverting" something something. So they didn't like it. But I don't think. In fact, I'm not thinking now.
I don't feel homosexuality is cool, is good, or anything at all. I don't think it should be practiced. I don't think I should hang out with them. I DO believe that the Word should be given them, as well.
Geez, any oldies here who remember when you were arrested for being gay, until Stonewall...
Yeah that's my feelings.
 
You are a bigot. Ok so taTu are bi, same dif. You are a bigot, how can a gay person become a christian if they are shunned. you need to get with the times, im not saying except homosexuality, im saying accept the person. people like you are the reason that christianity has such a bad rep. dont you think that Gods love encompasess them too, didnt he die for them as well? People like you piss me off more than anything. you are as bad as them. as for gays being christian, if they love God, and their hearts are right, arent they also chritians, i screw up, and so do you, but we are stil christians. it is about getting your life right when they become christians not beforehand.
 
Messanjah  Yes, the only way for homosexuals to become saved is if they are accepted by Christains, not treated as lepers, and shown Christ's love.  At the same time they MUST give up their lifestyle choices and choose a Christ-based heterosexual, monogomous marriage relationship if they continue to have sex.

As for "Gay Christians"  Ultima is correct, that term is an oxymoron.  The Bible is quite clear that homosexuality is a depravity, a work of the flesh, and those who practice it have no place in God's kingdom.  Can someone who practices homosexuality  become saved?  Yes.  Can they still practice homosexuality afterwards? No.  That is a sin they must give up, as we all must give up the sins in our lifes in our mission to emulate Christ's perfect and sinless life.  Remember, Christianity is an exclusionistic religion.  You are either a follower of Christ or not.  To be a follower of Christ there are certain standards that you would want to uphold.  There are certain characteristics that you would show, and there are certain characteristcis that you would not show.  Fornication and homosexuality are both part of the former.

As for the 'shunning'  we are encouraged to witness with the lost.  we are ordered to be the light and the salt of this world, a city on a hill.  But rememeber in Biblical times cities (especially those on hills) were fortified.  If we spend all our time around sinners, we will fall into that sin.  While we should not shun them, we should not encourage their lifestyle.  While we should not condem, we should inform of the possible ramifications of their lifestyle.  That is a fine and narrow ledge to walk.  IMO, if a Christain doesn't think they could show a certain type of sinner Christ's love, they should stay away from that type of sinner.


Ultima--be careful what you don't forgive or forget.  Remember Christ forgives us the same we forgive those around us, and ourselves.  To show such anger and hatred to a type of sinner is not Christ's love.  Homosexuality is no worse a sin than any other.  'Love the sinner, hate the sin' is essential to a Christian life, and unfortunately that particular quote does not stop for any sin, it is applied equally through them all, for our command was to love everyone.  Now at the same time, would I tell a practicing homosexual that what he/she is doing is right? No, I would quite clearly tell them they are in sin.  Would I allow a practicing homosexual to hold a leadership position in my church?  No, if they are practicing homosexuality, it shows little knowledge of the word of God, plus a lack of a relationship with the God I serve.  Would I go out to Sunday lunch with a homosexual that visited my church?  YEs. doing so, would show Christ's love, as well as give more chances to teach the homosexual the Word of God, and God's feelings about sin, including sexual ones.
 
aye very tru. i agree with that, but we cant expect them to, sd soon as they have been saved, to immediately give up their realationship. that would be impossible for anyone to do, you have to "ease into it" itz hard to explain, but yeah... it still ticks me off when homophobic bigots get on and say that they want nothing to do with homosexuals, becuause it is "sin" you are worse than the sinner yourself. you claim to be "righteous" where in reality, you are and arsehole. i have a few friends who are like this, and i want to hit them every time they go on with it.

also, i was wondering, do YOU think itz wrong to listen to music that is somewhat about homosexuality and is sung by homosexials. also do oyu think it is wrong, by todays standards, (not by your own, by todays "liberal" standards) to cencer a lesbian/gay kiss. (2 guys or 2 girls) i say no, it isnt, cant you get sued millions of dollars for discrimination?

neway, these are just my thoughts.
 
I would not listen to a song about a homosexual relationship. Likewise I would not support an actively practicing homosexual by purchasing their cds.

That's me. I see no reason to encourage any form of sin.


Now your question about censorship. Do I think it should be censored? Yes. By the world's standards it is not something to be censored. Is it over a matter of being sued? No. There are no laws concerning sexual orientation as a minority that I know of
 
I was under the impression that God viewd all sin the same (in terms of how bad it is). While I absolutely cant stand the thought of homosexuality I dont personally hate those who live that way. I have plenty of problems myself and I have no need to hate somebody else because of theirs. However, I have a harder time not hating "hateful bigots" then homosexuals
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Quitting your stance for gay rights already Messenjah?
Umm......I'm not homophobic. You my friend are a bigot for stereotyping anyone who doesn't like gays as homophobic. That's not what a homophobe is dude. THAT is a person who's afraid of becoming gay. I have no fear of that. I just have an aversion to gays. That's it.
So if I can't live my own life without meeting to your standards I am a bigot, correct? Ergo, if anyone doesn't meet to your desires, they are something bad in your eyes, unworthy of associating with on the basis that they don't agree with you?
Ultimately I can conclude from your faulty "logic" that Satan is good. Just because he doesn't like some of my paths and I don't like his doesn't mean we can't all just get along...ahem, cough.
Observe my friend Xel: I can't stand a murderer. I would rather see him electrocuted or hunted down by an executioner and killed on live TV before I saw him freed after thirty+ years. I would like him to suffer. I can't stand a gay. I think it's totally wrong. I think they get whatever they get coming to them. They have a billboard up in my town: 20 Years of AIDS Is Enough. Geez, who brought it in? GAYS! Where'd we get that from? Monkeys in Africa....that's just queer. I mean "queer" in the "weird" sense to all you gay rights supporters out there looking for someone to sue on the basis of discrimination.
I can't think of why I should support practicing bisexuals by giving them my money (which is essentially what happens when I buy their CDs).
Yeah yeah yeah Kidan. I know that all that. See? I TOLD you someone would bring that up. I know I should practice love and all that good stuff...but if I refuse to associate with them, my bad. I'll reap that at the end. I refused to associate with the gays. Let God heap the coals on my head. I'll be fine so long as I practive my evangelism.
I don't refuse to share the Word with the gays...but, uh, if I don't even hang out with them it's kinda difficult to at all. PLus, I'm not going to go into gay bars and clubs just to share with them the Word....
 
messanjah--are you so scared that your thoughts don't conform to the Word of God? Or isit some sin in your life that you want us to approve of?

what is 'ease into it' blanket permission to sin? i expect anyone who becomes saved to stop any sin they know about, including sexual ones


Xel--The thing about 'hateful bigots' is that they are actually judging homosexuals. which in and of itself is sin


ultima--but what if one comes to your church and is saved? would you shun him/her for his/her sin or show the love we are COMMANDED to show?
 
what i mean by "ease into it" is that as soon as they become christians, you dont say "right you are not allowed to be gay anymore" they will tell you to get fuked.

ultima: a homophobe is someone who cannot stand gays at all. this CAN be because they have gay feelings that dont want to show, but not neccecarilly. also, we didnt get AIDS only from gays, you sleep around enough, and you will catch it, that is also how it is spread, it wasnt "Started" by gays. how many prostitutes are indfected? so dont give me that shite, ive heard it enough already.
you my "friend" is known as a gay basher. that is all. you had better hope you dont meet me. because i will hurt you. i dont like what gays do, but they are still just people, no matter what they do.

so get over it wanker
 
You didn't answer my question at all Messenjah. I'm starting to think you're most likely a homosexual yourself and are here for solace...if so, umm, yeah.
True enough Kidan. I wouldn't shun myself from them if they were actual people I associated with, such as at a church function. It owuld be almost hateful of me to do that, and add that to in a congregation of Christ. Nah. BUT...I will not just smile, shake their hand and tell them Jesus loves them for who they are. God will not tolerate homosexuality. I will not condone it. In fact, I will condemn the practice, but not vehemently. I'll talk to them about it, ask why they're gay, and try to "ease them out of it." I'm not here to cause them to feel good about themselves. We are not here to be sheep, or else the wolves shall take us out. If we have a pastor that condones gayness, holy crap, I will bring up to him exactly what the Scripture says on the subject.
HOW can anyone say it's okay to do, and Jesus loves you anyway, when God freaking wiped out a city and its suburb with FIRE?
Tsk tsk tsk, Messenjah. Don't curse at me using your elite talk. It doesn't please me. And you're not showing your Christianity all that well by taking part in coarse speech, words that do not become of one of God.
Also, you didn't answer my question about your faulty logic in stereotyping everyone who doesn't have your same, open-minded thoughts on gays as bigots....I believe that's how you think. Can you confirm that?
 
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i am straight. i just dont like gay bashers

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you wanker. God loves them for who they are, they dont have to be something for God to love them. you are wrong there.


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so you make them feel like crap?

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Did i ever say it was ok?

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all i am saying is, if you have no tolerance for gays, then you are a bigot. you shove christianity down someones throat. that is no way to "save the lost" that is a way to give Christians a bad rep. PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE THE REASON WHY WE HAVE SUCH A BAD REP.


so screw you.
 
dude I have several gay aquaintences even co-workers. I am friends with them. Do I like their life style? No. But I don't hate them.

We are to love the sinners. The crusades were wrong, hate crimes are wrong.

Calling names is wrong, can we be a little more respectful?
 
you know, I have often found that I make people "feel like crap" because I don't tell them that the sin they are doing is "ok"

I see people that get convicted by my example and the light of Christ shining through me and are miserable because they don't want to give up their sin, and I REFUSE to tell them "it's ok"


Funny how that works...
 
I didnt read all of this, but I'm just going to say a state a couple of my beliefs to the subject. Gay is wrong, its a sin, theres no question to that. To be saved you have to try to rid your life of all sin, otherwise you arnt really saved. You accept Jesus as Lord and Savior on His terms, and any other belief contrary to that is heretical. We shouldnt hang around these people, but we should still try to minister teach and have compassion for them. Whether they be gay, pornographer, thief, murderer even. Whats the point of life after salvation? Are we not supposed to be out there telling all the unsaved sinners of the world the word of God? That is the entire point right? We shouldnt hate people. Hating and bashing them is the opposite of what Jesus wants us to do. We can't judge these people, judge not lest ye be judged right? I mean, in another life, another set of circumstances, we could be these people. The one thing we really have control over nomatter what the circumstances are is which way we want to go, do we want to be freed from sin and darnation (yes, darnation, the filter blocks out the proper word.) and become a child of God or do we want to live for someone or something other then God, and be lost because of it.
 
Why do you think that hanging out with gays/Bis/Lesbians, will corrupt your mind. that is stupid!! how can they corrupt you. that is stupid. im not condoning homosexuality, but im saying they you need to lighten up. btw you sed that you shouldnt hang out with them, but you should minister to them, and try to teach them... WTF??? how can you do that??

when i say "Gay Bashing" i dont mean phisical, i mean verbal.
 
Are you yelling at me for what the bible tells us to do? Hello, we are supposed to live by the bible! The bible tells us not to hang around people with big sin like we would our friends, if your calling the bible wrong, thats calling God wrong. If I have to explain whats wrong with that then I don't think you should really even be in a serious discussion here to tell you the truth. And what is with your vulgarity buddy? Your sig, your posts, do you have any true idea how wrong that is? I didnt even put anything hostile in my post, if you hadnt noticed, your a bit rude.
 
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