Whew! It's over

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Officer SOE/LoE/Where's "here"?
Finally the attack ads, rhetoric, and other hijinks are over. Now as Christians we have to accept what God as either willed or allowed to happen in this election time, and concentrate on living our life for Christ, not spending time kvetching and whining, or doing victory dances over the defeated. Take the issues that bug you most education, economy, whatever and do your part to correct the problems in your own little corner. Most importantly whether you like the man or woman who got elected at whatever level, local, state, national, pray for God's wisdom and guidance for them.
1 Timothy 2:1-2
Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
Instructions on Prayer

2 First of all, then, I urge that petitions, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for everyone, 2 for kings and all those who are in authority, so that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity.
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ursen said:
Finally the attack ads, rhetoric, and other hijinks are over. Now as Christians we have to accept what God as either willed or allowed to happen in this election time, and concentrate on living our life for Christ, not spending time kvetching and whining, or doing victory dances over the defeated. Take the issues that bug you most education, economy, whatever and do your part to correct the problems in your own little corner. Most importantly whether you like the man or woman who got elected at whatever level, local, state, national, pray for God's wisdom and guidance for them.
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I know your statement is true... considering I live in washington and we just legalized marijuana, approved gay marriage, and no high level republicans were elected... I'm definitely pretty down about it regardless. Sad part is, 1 county out voted the state on pretty much everything -_-
 
Living in Ohio, I have to say that the result is almost worth not having to put up with the vitriol on TV any longer. Of course, I would rather have a job and turn the TV off instead.
 
Atown said:
I know your statement is true... considering I live in washington and we just legalized marijuana, approved gay marriage, and no high level republicans were elected... I'm definitely pretty down about it regardless. Sad part is, 1 county out voted the state on pretty much everything -_-
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Yes that would be King County :(
 
Not to dampen your parade but you have seen Hulu right? The rhetoric will still take a while to die down. Even then there will always be another Benghazi, Iran, law or some new battle to fight. If the outcome had been reversed the war with sin would still persist until Christ returns, no election will change that. Win or lose, setbacks or triumphs our job and pursuit of God's will remains the same.
 
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This was my Facebook status this morning.


While I disagree with President Obama's (it's President Obama, not Obama) position on just about everything, we as a nation got the president God felt we deserved. To be angry or upset about it is to be angry or upset with God. Maybe if we as Christians were more obedient to II Chron 7:14 we would be more likely to get the President we desired.
 
Wolfeman said:
This was my Facebook status this morning.


While I disagree with President Obama's (it's President Obama, not Obama) position on just about everything, we as a nation got the president God felt we deserved. To be angry or upset about it is to be angry or upset with God. Maybe if we as Christians were more obedient to II Chron 7:14 we would be more likely to get the President we desired.
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I think the tendency to blame 'unfaithful' Christians is misguided. It could be a contributing factor, sure. But the faithful few under Ahab and Jezabel didn't get the leader they desired. And the Bible doesn't say it was their fault. Nor the faithful under countless other regimes. Same as the disciples asking Jesus whether the blind man had sinned or his parents. Neither had caused his blindness. It was allowed that the glory of God would be revealed.
 
Patriot said:
I think the tendency to blame 'unfaithful' Christians is misguided. It could be a contributing factor, sure. But the faithful few under Ahab and Jezabel didn't get the leader they desired. And the Bible doesn't say it was their fault. Nor the faithful under countless other regimes. Same as the disciples asking Jesus whether the blind man had sinned or his parents. Neither had caused his blindness. It was allowed that the glory of God would be revealed.
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Well 73% of Americans identify themselves as Christians. Considering both homosexuality and abortion are pretty well defined against in the Bible I'd say they should at least be conflicted within themselves. Christians could hold other moral issues as more important to support but still 73% and these are the leaders we get?
 
The Bible is also against divorce, drunkenness and gambling. All major epidemics in Christian communities.

We are a Christian nation. Found on, thru and because of Christian ideals. We have profited when we turn towards Christ and have suffered when we have not. When the majority of those who are His (or at least claim to be) turn their back on Him, we will all suffer His judgement and punishment. Even if it's nothing more than Him removing His hand of protection or His blessings.
 
And honestly, most "unfaithful Christians" aren't really Christians. They claim to be but when you judge the tree by it's fruit, it's plain to see.
 
Wolfeman said:
And honestly, most "unfaithful Christians" aren't really Christians. They claim to be but when you judge the tree by it's fruit, it's plain to see.
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Every Christian is unfaithful. It's Christ's faithfulness to us that saves us. If it depended on us, we'd be toast.
 
The Mighty Gerbil said:
Well 73% of Americans identify themselves as Christians.
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About 51% are identified as protestant (source). As we know, several of the protestant denominations tend to forgo traditional teaching in favor of liberal positions. When one forsakes the teaching of the Bible/Gospel they have no right to be called "Christian" anymore even if they still identify themselves as such. I believe the problem lies in the broad application of the term Christian, more so than with "Christians" denying the truth and refusing to stand on principle.

In light of the misrepresentation of large groups as "Christian" I stand by my claim that one should not necessarily turn to blaming "Christians" for the outcome of the election.
 
Patriot said:
About 51% are identified as protestant (source). As we know, several of the protestant denominations tend to forgo traditional teaching in favor of liberal positions. When one forsakes the teaching of the Bible/Gospel they have no right to be called "Christian" anymore even if they still identify themselves as such. I believe the problem lies in the broad application of the term Christian, more so than with "Christians" denying the truth and refusing to stand on principle.

In light of the misrepresentation of large groups as "Christian" I stand by my claim that one should not necessarily turn to blaming "Christians" for the outcome of the election.
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Right, like Wolfeman said most unfaithful Christians probably aren't Christian to start with.
 
Lloren said:
Every Christian is unfaithful. It's Christ's faithfulness to us that saves us. If it depended on us, we'd be toast.
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Salvation is entirely different that what we do for Christ and as Christians after salvation. We as Christians can definitely do more to be followers of Christ instead of the World.

If you put your salvation on your faithfulness you're not saved no matter how faithful you are. However, as new creatures, we should show our faithfulness towards Christ after salvation (think Lordship salvation... You don't make Christ Lord of your life to be saved. You make Him Lord of your life because you have been saved). It is the failure of saved Christians to show Christ and His teachings ("Be ye Holy" not "All things are possible") that I am pointing my finger at.
 
I agree. St. James says "Faith without works is dead." Can Jesus handle and save someone with dead faith? Absolutely. Do we want to be Christians with dead faith? I don't.

Actually, I agree with both sides. St. Paul says that we are faithless, but God is faithful. God always has and always will cope with out faithlessness. Everyone is faithless, except God.
 
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Wolfeman said:
And honestly, most "unfaithful Christians" aren't really Christians. They claim to be but when you judge the tree by it's fruit, it's plain to see.
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Right, like Wolfeman said most unfaithful Christians probably aren't Christian to start with.
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I also believe that your behavior and your actions speak louder than any name you ascribe to yourself. With that said, there are plenty of Christians who seem to lack Christ-like behavior, and there are plenty of non-Christians who put many Christians to shame with their Christ-like behavior.

In the end it doesn't matter what you believe about behavior, works, etc - it's not our job to determine who is and who is not "truly Christian."
 
Odale said:
In the end it doesn't matter what you believe about behavior, works, etc - it's not our job to determine who is and who is not "truly Christian."
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For the purposes of actual salvation you are correct it's not our job to determine but for proselytizing to even be possible you must still make the judgement of who needs proselytizing to or who is behaving in a Christian manner. You replying here is a teaching act in itself which required judgement on whether what we are saying is Christian doctrine.

Mission trips are great but I'm making the judgement we have been neglecting ministering to our own country. We can't do the "make disciples" part of the great commission and neglect the "teach them" part, as others here have stated similarly. Our job is not supposed to end with people just saying they are "Christian". Matthew 28:19-20
 
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