The End Times Cometh

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Mr.Bill

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I recently visited this site, and it raised a few questions. The Bible indicates in several areas that Jesus claimed he would make his return during the lifetime of his desciples, and yet this never occured.

To name a few:

Mattew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Mattew 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

Mark 13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.

Mark 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

Luke 9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

James 5:8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.

If you believe in the coming of the apocalypse, upon what do you base your belief? Clearly Jesus was wrong about the time of his arrival. And the evidence that is given to prove his imminent return--wars, famines, diseases, etc.--have been occuring at similar frequencies throughout all of human history.

Your thoughts?
 
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John 19:26
John 21:22
John 21:23

Daniel 12:13


In my personal opinion these two men will be the two witnesses mentioned in the book of Revelations. (and yes I do believe they are both alive...right now...as we speak)

Revelation 11:3
 
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Mattew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Mark 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

Luke 9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.
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I reordered your quotes for conciseness.

These three passages refer to the same quote-- and six days after Jesus spoke those words, according to Matthew Henry's commentary, was the Transfiguration, which occurred in front of three of His disciples. Many commentators agree that this event is what He was referring to.

Mattew 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

Mark 13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
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Many scholars agree that the word that we translate as "generation" has an alternate meaning-- "race". So, Jesus will return before the Jewish ethnic group will pass away. Certainly, there are still Jews here on earth.
 
"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." - Matthew 24:36
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I'm of the mindset that Jesus Himself did not even know. As He states hear, only His Father knew, which implies that He does not. So maybe He was only speculating in the verses mentioned above.
 
Interesting. So, how do you feel about the return of Christ? Do you believe it will happen soon? If so, why? Also, what do you believe it will be like? The apocalypse, that is.
 
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Interesting. So, how do you feel about the return of Christ? Do you believe it will happen soon? If so, why? Also, what do you believe it will be like? The apocalypse, that is.
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I personally don't think about it much. I know that it is coming and I know that when He does come, I'll be taken to Heaven to live forever with Him. I am aware that the signs are everywhere, but I don't dwell on it. I'd rather spend my life on this Earth enjoying my time and trying to reach others so that when He does come they can be taken home, too.
 
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Interesting. So, how do you feel about the return of Christ? Do you believe it will happen soon? If so, why? Also, what do you believe it will be like? The apocalypse, that is.
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I think that every generation of the evangelical era (read: since around the early 1800's, certainly before Walter Miller and the 7th Days) has believed that the signs pointed to a quick return of Christ. However, IMO, we are still at least a few years off. The biggest reason I think this is because the Bible says that members of every tribe, tongue, and nation will be in Heaven. Well, as of now, there are still well over 2,000 known languages in which the Bible has not been translated. Over 900 of these are in Papua New Guinea alone.

However, that does not mean that the Rapture cannot occur until that is fulfilled; it can happen at any time. Hey, maybe it will happen before I even complete this posting!
 
Since we continue to have posts from brothers and sisters in the Lord, I think we can safely reason that the rapture did not occur.

I know that I too, hope that it will occur soon, but the other side of me thinks about those who do not know the Lord, those who I may be able to talk to at some point about His saving grace, and I am thankful that God has placed me here to continue his work.

While it is hard, and I may not always succeed, working to further His kingdom on Earth is and really should be my main focus.

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(and secretly, in my prayers, I pray that everyone that I chat with here (who has not accepted Christ as their Saviour) will come to know the Lord so we can sit down and continue to talk after we have gone to be with Him)
 
Didn't Jesus ask "Why have you forsaken me, oh Lord?".

Either God had forsaken him, or Jesus was wrong. The man WAS a man, and men are not infalliable.
 
Eon said:
Didn't Jesus ask "Why have you forsaken me, oh Lord?".

Either God had forsaken him, or Jesus was wrong. The man WAS a man, and men are not infalliable.
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There is an easy explanation for this passage. When Jesus took the sin of the world upon himself, God turned away. God refused to look upon the sin. Jesus felt that separation from God. Hence the question, 'Why have you forsaken me?'
 
Your answer to my question presents untenable conclusions. Using Deuteronomy 4: 31, God would have broken His promise. Using 2 Chronicles 15: 2, Jesus would have forsaken God in order for God to forsake Jesus. Using Psalm 37: 25, 28, Jesus would not have been considered righteous, but wicked.

I dug this up at Biblical Study site
 
Eon said:
Your answer to my question presents untenable conclusions. Using Deuteronomy 4: 31, God would have broken His promise. Using 2 Chronicles 15: 2, Jesus would have forsaken God in order for God to forsake Jesus. Using Psalm 37: 25, 28, Jesus would not have been considered righteous, but wicked.

I dug this up at Biblical Study site
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Jesus chose to live as a man. In doing so he gave up many of His Godly attributes and powers. He subjected Himself to human suffering and pain. God turned away from our sin (which at the moment was covering Jesus) not His son. Jesus in his human suffering and pain cried out to God when God turned from our sin. Is it so hard to understand Jesus in his human form crying out to God when he felt the separation?

The verses you are trying to use in this case don't make any sense when applied to this problem. Your trying to oversimplify the situation. God the Father did not forsake His son, He forsook our sin.

And if you don't like my explanation...go back to the website you got this from and read their second explanation :)
 
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I read the second explanation - but I wanted an answer from someone here as to why the first paragraph was wrong.

If I was afraid of being caught out then I wouldn't have posted the link! :)
 
Deuteronomy 4:31 is talking to Israel and not to Jesus. You must read the whole context in which the verse is being spoken to get the full understanding.

2 Chronicles 15:2 again this verse is talking to Israel, mainly to the leadership of Israel, but Israel all the same.

Psalm 37: 25, 28 This one is REALLY obscure. Verse 28 is talking about His saints, i.e. those who have been redeemed by Messiah. And 25 is talking about the nature of the Messiah.

I hope this is the explanation you were looking Eon.
The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit is not the best description of the trinity. It should be more along the line of The Will of God, The Word of God and the Breath of God. But that is for another post really. All the same, we are living in the End Times. All the signs point to such. Technology is at the point where certain prophecies have become fulfillable, and Creation is groaning under the weight of sin in the world.
 
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