Need Some Help

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[toj.cc]phantom

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At my school and many others, Sophmores have to take a test called the Ohio Gradustion Test (OGT). I've already taken two of the tests and they are fairly easy. I'm not worried about passing them though. On the science test I pretty sure that there will be questions about the THEORY of Evolution and the Big Bang THEORY. I don't have any trouble answering the mutlipul choice questions, but the short answer and extended response I hate to answer. I was wondering if I should answer these questions, ignore them, or write why I don't want to answer them and gives facts to disprove them? Any help I can get on his will be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,
Ryan
 
[toj.cc]phantom said:
At my school and many others, Sophmores have to take a test called the Ohio Gradustion Test (OGT). I've already taken two of the tests and they are fairly easy. I'm not worried about passing them though. On the science test I pretty sure that there will be questions about the THEORY of Evolution and the Big Bang THEORY. I don't have any trouble answering the mutlipul choice questions, but the short answer and extended response I hate to answer. I was wondering if I should answer these questions, ignore them, or write why I don't want to answer them and gives facts to disprove them? Any help I can get on his will be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,
Ryan
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I would Write excaltly what teh THEORY IS, I would not even put in why I do or don't Agree with it. I would just write, Some to the effect of

According to {whomever} the theory of the big bang is an explanation of the creation of the universe being created by....

Hopeful you get the point
 
Its a test of your knowledge about these theories, not a test on what you believe.

If the question is objective: According to this theory, how is this explained, go ahead and answer it according to that theory.

I wouldn't add other theories due to the fact you only have so much time to complete these tests and they are not testing your knowledge of anything other then your competancy in the subject matter.

If they ask a subjective question: Do you believe that this theory best explains this event, go ahead and provide counter arguements to such and such theory. Provide alternative evidence and alternative reasoning behind it.
 
I would say you must answer them for the grade. I agree that you should give what they ask for. In addition, allow the Holy Spirit to lead you and ask that He give you a response that will correctly answer what they are asking for, while giving you the opportunity to glorify God.

I will be praying for you, I know, by God's grace, you will do very well! :)
 
This is a bit of an open ended question isn't it?

What EXACTLY will be asked?

As Peon said, you will be asked to answer questions regarding a theory. Whether you believe in it or not is besides the point. You don't have to believe in the theory of relativity to be knowledgeable about it do you? I don't subscribe to the theory of Intelligent Design, but I could write a thesis on it. Understanding doesn't equate to belief. I'm sure you don't believe in Santa Claus, but you could accurately describe him, right?

This is from wikipedia, "Skeptics, often creationists, sometimes deride evolution as "just a theory" in an attempt to characterize it as an arbitrary choice and degrade its claims to truth. Such criticism overlooks the scientifically-accepted use of the word "theory" to mean a falsifiable and well-supported hypothesis."

I would suggest you look up the words "theory", "falsifiable" and "hypothesis".

Also, let's not forget that creationism is also a THEORY

:p

Also, be sure to understand the difference between micro and macro evolution.

Hope this was helpful!
 
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This is from wikipedia, "Skeptics, often creationists, sometimes deride evolution as "just a theory" in an attempt to characterize it as an arbitrary choice and degrade its claims to truth. Such criticism overlooks the scientifically-accepted use of the word "theory" to mean a falsifiable and well-supported hypothesis."
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I agree with you DV on the definition of the word theory, and I am sure you have a good grasp of what it means. However, the creationist side of the argument was not the first to misinterpret the word. Elementary, middle school, high school, and college instructors have been teaching macro evolution as a 'fact' for decades. Literally all of the instructors that I have had from the ground up, who have taught anything about macro evolution have taught it as 'fact'. Very seldom would any of them call it 'the theory of evolution'. I am a teacher and used to teach middle school science. Most of the science textbooks available for use teach it as a fact. Although they may use the word theory in a very few places in the text it is very clearly taught as the accepted 'truth'.

The most recent example I can think of in this ongoing battle is the judge that told a school district (that was trying to remind people that macro evolution is a theory) they couldn't put a sticker inside the cover of their textbooks saying that 'evolution is a theory'.

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What's wrong with the big bang THEORY? It's actually PRO-Creationist...
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The big bang theory is not pro-creationist in any way as it is taught. Some as Christians may put their own slant on it and say God caused the big bang, but it is definitely not what the scientists who devised the theory had in mind :) Personally I don't see the big bang in the bible. God's creation was orderly and happened in a sequence that does not support the big bang at all. In Genesis the earth was created before the sun, moon, or stars. That doesn't work with the big bang theory.

Phantom my advice would be pretty much the same as everyone else’s in the thread. Answer the question that is asked. However, I would say use the word 'theory' everywhere you possibly can. Make it obvious that you understand it is a 'theory'. You may also use phrases like 'some scientists believe' to show that not all scientists believe the theory of evolution (and there are many who do not). Just answering the specific question is not saying that you support or believe the theory.

I think it is great to question evolution in an open discussion in a classroom setting. This really annoys some teachers, especially if you know a lot of information to refute many of the arguments for evolution, but it may help a classmate to get a better perspective on the 'fact' that evolution is a 'theory'. Don't do it to be contrary or annoying :) Do it to help remind the teacher and other students that evolution is a theory. Be careful though, if you don't know your information well it could be a problem, many instructors will go to great steps to make a Christian look foolish :mad:

In my opinion a state test is not the place to do that. It does noone any good. All it will do in the end is cause you to get a lower grade.

Sorry I got so long winded...
 
He didn't say 'BANG' because it would have said that in the Bible, what it says is;

GEN 1: 1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
GEN 1: 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
GEN 1: 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
GEN 1: 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
GEN 1: 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
GEN 1: 6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
GEN 1: 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
GEN 1: 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
GEN 1: 9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
GEN 1: 10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
GEN 1: 11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
GEN 1: 12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
GEN 1: 13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
GEN 1: 14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
GEN 1: 15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
GEN 1: 16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
GEN 1: 17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
GEN 1: 18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
GEN 1: 19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
GEN 1: 20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
GEN 1: 21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
GEN 1: 22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
GEN 1: 23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
GEN 1: 24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
GEN 1: 25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
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Take that, DV! Yessssss! Amen! I am ready to shout! Brandish that Sword!!! You get 'em, Phantom! Give me the Word any time, day or night, 24/7, every second of it!!! WoooHooo!!! You get answer of the year, Phantom!!! Good job!! I am so very proud of you! That is an answer guided by the Holy Spirit if I have ever seen one!! You have really and truly made my day!
 
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Well since it's all right there and black and white, would you mind finding me the chapter and verse that discusses what happened to the dinosaurs?

Thanks!

If it were that simple there wouldn't be Christians that argue that God did it all in actual days or that "days" actually meant a much longer time frame. When Christians can actually form a united front on their views more people would pay heed to them. As it is, theories like evolution are spread over a variety of faiths and beliefs. Creationism is primarily a Christian tenet. Care to discuss why that is?
 
Since you obviously have no sense of humor, let's discuss your account of creation, shall we?

How is it that God created plants on the third day...but didn't create light until the next day? Remember that little thing called PHOTOSYNTHESIS that plants need to survive?

On the fifth day God created birds...but not the things most birds eat until the next day. Guess they had to fast for a day, huh?

God didn't make the sun or moon until the fourth day, yet somehow three days/nights had passed. How is that possible without the sun to mark the day/night cycle? Not to mention that the moon isn't a light, but a reflector of light.

Exactly where is this firmament that God created to separate the waters? I guess our astronauts have missed it so far.

According to Genesis, life started on land. Geology, however, states that life started in the oceans.

“And to every beast of the earth, and every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so” Hmmm...what about lions? Tigers? Carnivorous creatures? Vampire bats? Tapeworms? Mosquitos?

How long did it take Adam to name millions of species of animals? There must have been a mighty long line at the entrance to the Garden of Eden! You think the whales and fish got to cut in line?

Take THAT Marcy! YESSSSSSSSSSS!

:)
 
Dark Virtue said:
As it is, theories like evolution are spread over a variety of faiths and beliefs. Creationism is primarily a Christian tenet. Care to discuss why that is?
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lol...that's easy. We're right :) Satan doesn't want the religions he started to believe in creationism DV(actually there are a lot of religions that believe in creation their just a bit confused).

As for the post about photosynthesis and food and light...you forget that holds no water with Christians because we believe in God :D With our earthly limitations it is impossible for us to do, but God can do it in any order he likes.

Our argument will always sound silly to those who depend on worldly logic and your argument will always make us pity you because God hasn't given you the wisdom to 'see' yet.

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Exactly where is this firmament that God created to separate the waters? I guess our astronauts have missed it so far.
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Actually the astronauts haven't missed it. They pass through the clouds (made of water) all the time.

As for dinosaurs...where in the bible does it say that the dinosaurs would never go extinct? Neither does the bible list all the animals nor give the dates they went extinct.

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Geology, however, states that life started in the oceans.
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Yes it's kinda silly isn't it :D It also states that it just happened by chance. Now that takes a lot of faith to believe.
 
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I find it interesting that most women I know, focus on the things of the heart. There study tends to be of how they can improve their relationship with God and be more like Him. They firmly reverence God and have faith to believe at face value. I am not saying that men don't, but by and large, they will try to dig for facts for things such as Creation. I take it at face value. I don't know the mind of God and while I can only send you to a link that I have given before, for someone I would trust on the Creation issue, I do have some thoughts:

I very much agree with Didasko that God would, for His own reasons, create in any order that He would choose, in His infinite wisdom, and with infinite reasoning.

And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. Revelation 21:23

Sweet lil' tree hugger! The plants were fine! No need to worry! The LORD gave them the best light they have ever known! His glory shone upon them!

The Bible says:

Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they? Matthew 6:26

I think I have heard everything now, DV. You are citing our LORD for animal cruelty! I believe they had a party to celebrate being created and the whole of creation, feasting with God, and they were not hungry until the next day. Rest assured, our darling bird lover, God fed them in some way, or there was something Scientifically Spiritual about their creation, that made them unable to eat, for their own good, until the next day. Most babies have to be roused for food in the first 24 hours.

As for the light of the moon, either there is a light in there that has yet to be discovered, or He simply chose to refer to the light it reflects as a light! Maybe it had it's own light before the flood????

He was judging time by the hours.

Peter Ruckman, a preacher in Pensacola Florida did a study on Creation. The interesting thing that that I remember in the entire study, was that the firmament was water that surrounded the earth and allowed a shield from the sun. When the flood came, that water was released.

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6
He is the life. Technically, life started with God, in the Spiritual realm.

As for the carnivorous creatures, their green herb was in the bellies of their food choices. We are talking the Garden of Eden goodness here. Perhaps they did feast on seeds before the flood.

I think Adam had plenty of time and greatly enjoyed naming the animals. I think it was a very long time for Eve to get bored enough to listen to the Serpent.

Touche'!


Phantom, I am looking foward to hearing how your test went and what you were able to say.
 
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Ug... It's 7:28 and I need to start gettin' ready for school. I'll show you how it's PRO-CREATIONIST! BE BACK Um... ACtually church lock-in' tonight, so tommorow! AHAH!

Well, read up on the Kalam Argument
 
How is it that God created plants on the third day...but didn't create light until the next day? Remember that little thing called PHOTOSYNTHESIS that plants need to survive?
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GEN 1: 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
The only thing God created before this was Heaven and Earth.

On the fifth day God created birds...but not the things most birds eat until the next day. Guess they had to fast for a day, huh?
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Birds can eat fish, seeds, and berries they don't need to eat meat to survive.

God didn't make the sun or moon until the fourth day, yet somehow three days/nights had passed. How is that possible without the sun to mark the day/night cycle? Not to mention that the moon isn't a light, but a reflector of light.
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GEN 1: 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. The sun and moon aren't the only source of light God Himslef is a source also, since He's gives the moon. sun, and starts their light.

Exactly where is this firmament that God created to separate the waters? I guess our astronauts have missed it so far.
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Pronunciation: 'f&r-m&-m&nt
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Late Latin & Latin; Late Latin firmamentum, from Latin, support, from firmare
1 : the vault or arch of the sky : HEAVENS
2 obsolete : BASIS
3 : the field or sphere of an interest or activity <the international fashion firmament>
Before the Flood it had never rained before. thr firmament mean between the earth and sky so in Biblical times the upper layers of earthers atmosphere was water. Which accounts for why people lived os lonag back then.

According to Genesis, life started on land. Geology, however, states that life started in the oceans.

“And to every beast of the earth, and every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so” Hmmm...what about lions? Tigers? Carnivorous creatures? Vampire bats? Tapeworms? Mosquitos?
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Back then in the Garden there was no sin on earth, which means the animals lived in perfect harmony and there was no need for violence. Just as it will be in Heaven back then the lion laid with the lamb and so on.

How long did it take Adam to name millions of species of animals? There must have been a mighty long line at the entrance to the Garden of Eden! You think the whales and fish got to cut in line?
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Adam lived for 930 years plus God would have given him infinite knolwedge of all the animals since it would have taken it so long. So it is possilbe that he could have named them all with Gods help.

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Geology, however, states that life started in the oceans.



Yes it's kinda silly isn't it :D It also states that it just happened by chance. Now that takes a lot of faith to believe
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Hope this helps. I finished all the tests and am glad to say there was only one Big Bang question on the test and it was multiple choice. When I see my grades on them I'll post them so you can see.
 
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