Another Question

[Big J]

Tomorrow morning Jehovah appears to the world.

He tells everybody that the Jews were right all along, Jesus was not his son.

What would you do? Still follow Jesus? Or become a Jew?

 

[CCGR]

still believe in Jesus, he fufilled the prophesies hundred of years before he came down.

The sad thing is that the jews reject him as their messiah and are waiting. the will think the antichrist is their messiah, promising peace he will bring war. When jesus comes down again there will be no mistake of his identity.

 

[MaxX]

Tomorrow morning God appears to the world.

He tells everybody that the Christians were right all along, Jesus is his son.

What would you do? Follow Jesus? Or find an excuse?

 

[CCGR]

hahaha funny MaxX

 

[timor]

That was pretty funny, and a good point, MaXx, but BigJ has a good point, too...

I mean, if it was verifiably Jehova, Yaweh, The Great I Am, and he told you Jesus was not his son, you would seriously still follow him? Regardless of the fact that these "prophecies" that Jesus fulfilled were prophecies BY Yaweh?

remember that he's obviously not lying...

 

[CCGR]

imagine a world with no hypothetical questions...


what is the point?  if God almighty said he had no son, then Christianity and the bible would be utterly useless.

I was just saying according to the bible an antichrist will come and decieve many

 

[Big J]

Quote[/b] (MaxX @ Sep. 18 2003,11:04)]Tomorrow morning God appears to the world.

He tells everybody that the Christians were right all along, Jesus is his son.

What would you do?  Follow Jesus?  Or find an excuse?

Well, it would be pretty stupid to not follow Jesus.

I would, however, wonder which christians were right: Catholics (Faith + Works), Calvinists (Predestination), or the rest of the Protestans (faith alone).

 

[Big J]

Quote[/b] (CCGR @ Sep. 18 2003,2:28)]what is the point?  if God almighty said he had no son, then Christianity and the bible would be utterly useless.  

Why would Christianity be useless?
If it is a moral code, it would still be valid, right?

 

[CCGR]

the Bible would be all wrong, execpt for the Jewish torrah. All the prohpesies, Jesus' sermons nothing more than good advice.

Christianity is based on Jesus and his teachings but if he was not God's son, the promised one, lamb of God, LORD of LORDs I would rather believe I came from an ape.

but this is all hypothetical so kind of silly to argue and no I don't think I'm related to an ape.

 

[timor]

Quote[/b] (Big J @ Sep. 18 2003,4:21)]

Quote[/b] (CCGR @ Sep. 18 2003,2:28)]what is the point? if God almighty said he had no son, then Christianity and the bible would be utterly useless.

Why would Christianity be useless?
If it is a moral code, it would still be valid, right?

Christianity is not an ethical code, it is a religion.

 

[major]

this isn't even a good topic, I can't say what if, to something that has absolutly no chance of happening. We know the truth, and we know that isn't it.

 

[timor]

Quote[/b] (major @ Sep. 20 2003,9:54)]this isn't even a good topic, I can't say what if, to something that has absolutly no chance of happening. We know the truth, and we know that isn't it.

In your view, that is correct, it really is a moot point.

But you do not know

 

[Big J]

Quote[/b] (major @ Sep. 20 2003,8:54)]this isn't even a good topic
...
We know the truth, and we know that isn't it.

I have to ask...if this is not even a good topic, then why even reply?

I must ask, how do you know the truth?

My experience is the usual reply is either anecdotal evidence (such as "Jesus makes me feel good") or circular reasoning ("The Bible is true because it says it is").

 

[mrpopdrinker]

Quote[/b] (timor @ Sep. 20 2003,12:04)]

Quote[/b] (major @ Sep. 20 2003,9:54)]this isn't even a good topic, I can't say what if, to something that has absolutly no chance of happening.  We know the truth, and we know that isn't it.

In your view, that is correct, it really is a moot point.

But you do not know  

Maby we dont "know" as you say but thats what faith is for. How do I know Yeshua and YHVH have done much for me.

 

[rizz]

Quote[/b] ]Tomorrow morning Jehovah appears to the world.

He tells everybody that the Jews were right all along, Jesus was not his son.

He wont...nuff said

Besides it says that noone can look upon God and live so that would be some sort of genocide on Gods behalf..lol

 

[rizz]

Quote[/b] ]My experience is the usual reply is either anecdotal evidence (such as "Jesus makes me feel good") or circular reasoning ("The Bible is true because it says it is").

thats mainly because you cant prove christianity.. otherwise i would say the conversion rate would be much higher.. though im sure there would still be skeptics..lol

The crux of being a christian is on relationship with God and so will be defined by personal experience and anecdotal evidence.. the one thing you cant argue with is someones testimony.... if it happened then it happened.

 

[www_rlxc_com]

I would not believe the being that came down, you claim it is "Jehovah", I would suggest it a demon trying to decieve

 

[Big J]

Quote[/b] (rizz @ Sep. 23 2003,5:47)]Besides it says that noone can look upon God and live so that would be some sort of genocide on Gods behalf..lol

Really?

Genesis 32

Quote[/b] ]24   And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day.
25   And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him.
26   And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me.
27   And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob.
28   And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.
29   And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there.
30   And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.
31   And as he passed over Penuel the sun rose upon him, and he halted upon his thigh.
32   Therefore the children of Israel eat not of the sinew which shrank, which is upon the hollow of the thigh, unto this day: because he touched the hollow of Jacob's thigh in the sinew that shrank.

Jacob did.

Exodus 24

Quote[/b] ]9   Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel:
10   And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.

As did Moses and a bunch of others

Exodus 33

Quote[/b] ]11   And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.

And Moses did again

But then God aparently changed his mind...

Quote[/b] ]20   And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
21   And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
22   And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
23   And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

But it was OK to see his bum aparently.

 

[Big J]

Quote[/b] (rizz @ Sep. 23 2003,5:50)]The crux of being a christian is on relationship with God and so will be defined by personal experience and anecdotal evidence.. the one thing you cant argue with is someones testimony.... if it happened then it happened.

So when a muslim says that Allah speaks to him, why do you disbelieve?

And when a Hindu tells how Krishna helped him?

 

[Big J]

Quote[/b] (www_rlxc_com @ Sep. 23 2003,9:00)]I would not believe the being that came down, you claim it is "Jehovah", I would suggest it a demon trying to decieve

Interesting.