A few megachurches will be closed for Christmas

Dark Virtue said:
What's the big deal?

Christmas is a pagan holiday anyway.

Mostly pagan, mind you.

The problem I see is church services are being suspended so that people can particpate in opening presents and other Christmas morning oddities. God or materialistic gain? Hmm...gain the world, loose your soul...WAIT!!! IS THAT AN XBOX 360?!? GIMME!!!
 
This is a simple decision of economics, isn't it?

Few volunteers will be available on Christmas morning. Few worshippers will make the trip. Christmas is a family holiday - and if they open the churches then the churches will be empty.

There's no point speaking if nobody is listening!
 
Eon said:
This is a simple decision of economics, isn't it?

Few volunteers will be available on Christmas morning. Few worshippers will make the trip. Christmas is a family holiday - and if they open the churches then the churches will be empty.

There's no point speaking if nobody is listening!

That's assuming churches are to be regarded as economic institutions instead of religious ones.
 
As for Christmas being pagan, it was originally made by some pope in the middle ages on a pagan holiday to turn people away from that holiday and celebrate Christ's birth.

Yeah, and commercialism has basically killed half the spirit of Christmas. Getting stuff and buying stuff for a reduced price THIS WEEKEND ONLY!!! and such. And then there's the Target-forbidding-employees-to-say-Merry-Christmas thing.

So I would say 75% pagan.
 
You can use google to find lots on interesting information on the paganism that rings throughout present day Christianity. (especially Catholicism)

Quite frankly, I really could care less if we celebrated the mass of Christ the way it is done today. The resurrection is by far the most important pinacle of Christianity compared to the other pope-sanctioned holidays.

Cory

The answer lies in the pagan origins of Christmas. In ancient Babylon, the feast of the Son of Isis (Goddess of Nature) was celebrated on December 25. Raucous partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were traditions of this feast.

In Rome, the Winter Solstice was celebrated many years before the birth of Christ. The Romans called their winter holiday Saturnalia, honoring Saturn, the God of Agriculture. In January, they observed the Kalends of January, which represented the triumph of life over death. This whole season was called Dies Natalis Invicti Solis, the Birthday of the Unconquered Sun. The festival season was marked by much merrymaking. It is in ancient Rome that the tradition of the Mummers was born. The Mummers were groups of costumed singers and dancers who traveled from house to house entertaining their neighbors. From this, the Christmas tradition of caroling was born.

In northern Europe, many other traditions that we now consider part of Christian worship were begun long before the participants had ever heard of Christ. The pagans of northern Europe celebrated the their own winter solstice, known as Yule. Yule was symbolic of the pagan Sun God, Mithras, being born, and was observed on the shortest day of the year. As the Sun God grew and matured, the days became longer and warmer. It was customary to light a candle to encourage Mithras, and the sun, to reappear next year.

Huge Yule logs were burned in honor of the sun. The word Yule itself means “wheel,” the wheel being a pagan symbol for the sun. Mistletoe was considered a sacred plant, and the custom of kissing under the mistletoe began as a fertility ritual. Hollyberries were thought to be a food of the gods.

The tree is the one symbol that unites almost all the northern European winter solstices. Live evergreen trees were often brought into homes during the harsh winters as a reminder to inhabitants that soon their crops would grow again. Evergreen boughs were sometimes carried as totems of good luck and were often present at weddings, representing fertility. The Druids used the tree as a religious symbol, holding their sacred ceremonies while surrounding and worshipping huge trees.

In 350, Pope Julius I declared that Christ’s birth would be celebrated on December 25. There is little doubt that he was trying to make it as painless as possible for pagan Romans (who remained a majority at that time) to convert to Christianity. The new religion went down a bit easier, knowing that their feasts would not be taken away from them.

Christmas (Christ-Mass) as we know it today, most historians agree, began in Germany, though Catholics and Lutherans still disagree about which church celebrated it first. The earliest record of an evergreen being decorated in a Christian celebration was in 1521 in the Alsace region of Germany. A prominent Lutheran minister of the day cried blasphemy: “Better that they should look to the true tree of life, Christ.”

The controversy continues even today in some fundamentalist sects.
 
one must also remember that not every nation or people around the world celebrate christmas with economic interests.
Pagan or not, doesn't matter in my opinion. What matters is how it's interpreted and received, and the motive and purpose behind the celebration. If Americans view it as a time for gifts and commercial opportunities, well, thats their way of doing it. While in some small european country, Christmas may be a time of pure devotion in church and silence, commemorating the birth of Jesus, and that is THEIR way of doing it.
What it "is" doesnt matter; it's why, and it's how, and it's different for every individual.
 
Remember that Christmas is celebrated differently throughout the world. Just because in the US it's a commercial opportunity doesn't make the religion behind it or the holiday "pagan" or not.
It's how each person receives it and reacts to it that matters in my opinion.
 
A holiday is a holiday. No one can label a holiday as pagan for more than generalization.

Christmas is a spiritual holiday for my family.

We tend to Not sit around and surf the web but do all those things we wish we did on regular days. Spend the whole day together. Cook, eat, nap, pray, read the bible, and many other things we do Together. Things that get hard to do when you work and have school, etc. Not impossible. But I happen to be a sinner and procrastinate VERY WELL.

We give presents becauase we love our kids and God has given us an infinatly better gift! We take time to make or shop and spend some time thinking about what to get each other. We decorate the Tree together and take it down after new years together. Christmas is what makes the year end and new year have any value or meaning.

Christmas is my favorite time of the year. They play Christmas music on all the stations for a whole month!

I dont celebrate Halloween at all. I dont do Harvest Festivals either. Maybe someday when Halloween is gone and forgotten, but not know. I could easily celebrate that day or week etc but I have nothing overly special to celebrate. Maybe that can be my families new Christmas day II.

Peace
 
Dark Virtue said:
That's assuming churches are to be regarded as economic institutions instead of religious ones.

Well that's an old argument isn't it? Churches are generally regarded as being religious institutions - but the Catholic church is the richest organisation in existence and the Church of England owns more land than Her Majesty.

As Christmas was, at best, a veneer of Christianity laid over the practices of an existing holiday - I'd say that 90% was much closer.
 
I think we should all still go to church on sunday, And i am only 15 years old! Honor the Sabbath and keep it holy! (Even tho the real sabbath should be on a saturday, Christian honor it on sunday.) Obey just what it says and dont go off and say: "Give me presents now!" (I get about 4 presents in total for christmas anyways *Shrugs*) I think we should not close churches on sunday...

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balrogdude27 said:
I think we should all still go to church on sunday, And i am only 15 years old! HONOR THE SABBATH AND KEEP IT HOLY! (Even tho the real sabbath should be on a saturday, Christian honor it on sunday.) Obey just what it says and dont go off and say: "GIVE ME PRESENTS NOW!" (I get about 4 presents in total for christmas anyways *Shrugs*) I think we should not close churches on sunday...

If God says to obey the Sabbath day, Saturday, why not do what God says instead of changing the rules to suit your purposes?

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Thaddius said:
You can use google to find lots on interesting information on the paganism that rings throughout present day Christianity. (especially Catholicism)

Quite frankly, I really could care less if we celebrated the mass of Christ the way it is done today. The resurrection is by far the most important pinacle of Christianity compared to the other pope-sanctioned holidays.

Cory

Too bad that was totally paganized too.

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