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I doubt that. Even if it were so, I'm not claiming that it's impossible for good things to come as a result of bad things.

LionOfJudah, why don't you post a thread on rape? This is a thread on abortion. Okay. The point I was making was that if you view intentionally killing an unborn child as murder, then it would follow that, say, a fall down a flight of stairs resulting in the death of an unborn child should be...

Please provide some source for these claims, they seem incredible. I don't know where you get your figures for your own area, but even assuming that 90% of rape occurs in clubs, ask yourself, did the woman go to the club wanting or even expecting to be raped? Saying that she had a choice to not...

America's the greatest nation in the world because it's government has done stupid things and abused the trust of it's people? That's an interesting take on history.

LionOfJudah, please stop trolling. Does that make women who have miscarriages guilty of manslaughter?

I'm not going to enter into the whole abortion debate just now, but I will point out that I think it's inconsistent to say that abortion immoral unless the woman was raped. Surely, if you think that terminating a pregnancy equates to murder, the woman's responisibility (or lack of it, in the...

Trouble brewing, I think...

For a while I have been able to look at things dualistically; things made sense if I accepted the pre-assumptions of Christianity, and on the other hand made sense if I dismissed them entirely and viewed things from a humanistic perspective. Although an atheistic worldview seemed a lot more...

Indeed, especially when people question those practices and Rumsfeld reassures everyone by saying that those at Guantanamo Bay aren't, in fact, detained indefinitely, but are really POWs in the war-on-terror, and that they will be released once the war concludes. It's so absurd that I'd laugh if...

What exactly are you asking? Which sin can't be forgiven? The idea is supposed to be that all sins can be forgiven. ps. God has a wraith?

Who would have the problem? What would the problem be? How does this translate to the issue of homosexual marriage that it's supposed to illustrate? I'm not American, and I'm not an expert on American history, but I thought that your founders were largely deist and that the country was founded...

Well, that's up to you Atown. Personally, I see it as being important to voice concerns with government policy and activity at all times... not just during elections.

LionOfJudah, next time you decide to disqualify someone's question or opinion based on their age, try to make sure that your own eloquence exceedes that of the person you're trying to besmirch. If you do that, people might be able to look past the fact that an age difference of 3 years has no...

And while he's elaborating, why don't you respond to the points he raised, Whitestone? Yes, rugby players will accept the formation of another rugby leauge; the rugby players are happy let people who'd rather not play rugby play whatever they want. The rugby players are tolerant and provided...

Atown, that'd be a pretty good analogy, only, you live in a democracy. The whole idea is that you elect people who you think are going to do a good job, and if you don't like what they're doing, you pick somone who you think would do a better job. It's your responsibility to either support him...

That's true. Please continue.

Did you read the verse, though? It's saying that authority is insitiuted by God. It's saying that good people who do the right thing have nothing to fear from authority. This doesn't fit with reality at all, yet the Bible is inerrant?

Then it's a lucky thing the Shroud of Turin is at most 2000 years old and, more likely, less, eh Dr. Tek?

Nyet, comrade Jango. You were a little late in doing it, but you did it just fine. Mind you, I find the position you take a little strange.

Excellento.