[b said:
Quote[/b] ](Me) A number of women in Hellenistic cultures were actually the religious and political leaders before becoming Christians. There are many instances of female-dominated priest(ess)hoods in Hellenistic societies.
The situation was a little different in Corinth, which is where Paul gave that instruction.
[b said:
Quote[/b] ](Me) You'll actually find this mentioned throughout the Bible, as the Biblical paradigm is always man over woman in earthly authority, though the woman is not inferiority. In the New Testament, Paul specifically indicates to Timothy (who he was instructing for a teaching position) that he will not allow a woman to hold teaching authority over a man (1 Tim 2:12, if I'm remembering correctly). Thus, given the Biblical paradigm, and the specific command in the Pauline epistles, we conclude that women ought not to be ordained ministers.
Again, I think you're neglecting the audience that Timothy was supposed to be dealing with. The Old Testiment has many instructions that we no longer must follow. I mean in Leviticus is says that one should not wear clothing made from more than one material, yet we no longer follow that. My point is that things can change, and women who are qualified and can enlighten us should not be denied the opportunity to do so.
[b said:
Quote[/b] ]I can conclude from your post that you think women and ethnic minorities are just too lazy to make it happen. Non white people are just lazy slobs, Pat Buchanon was right after all, thanks Tom.
<sarcasm>Yeah, that's exactly what I was saying</sarcasm>. Give me a break man! No wonder people get confused when interpreting the Bible; they like to twist around people's words to make it sound like something they want it too. Show me where I said they were lazy? Point it out! You better pay attention before you make rediculous claims like you just did. I was saying they've had time to get the training and the qualifications for any job they want, and now have the qualifications and training required for the jobs they want to get. Do you disagree?
[b said:
Quote[/b] ]You might want to double check just who is racist here, the Affirmative action proponents or the opponents? I don't think you are conciously or purposly this way, but please wake up and see what you are saying.
So you're saying anyone who thinks people should not be denied jobs solely because they're white or a male is a racist? Oh I see what you're trying to say here! Those who believe in equality for all are racist, and those who believe in affirmative action are non-racist, is that your definition?
As for you claiming that I'm a racist because I'm against Affirmitive Action let me inform you that my core group of closest, and I mean CLOSEST, friends has one black guy and two Chinese guys. One of my cousins is black too. So how am I a racist? Because I don't believe that white males should be denied jobs because of their race? Because I believe in equal opportunity for people of all races and genders? I think YOU'RE the one who should be checking what you're saying. How DARE you call me a racist!
Finally, are you suggesting that denying white people jobs and university positions because of their race is NOT racist?
[b said:
Quote[/b] ]There are still people who think that the wrong side won your civil war, there are still people who believe that those of other races are basically inferior, and anybody who cannot open their eyes enough to SEE that the world is still largely run by Upper Class White Males is sadly deluded.
So your solution to this problem is to deny honest, non-racist, and hard working white people jobs and university positions because some idiots in the southern United States are still racists? How is there nothing wrong with that statement? Why should I, a resident of Canada, at age 18 years(too young to have been involved in the past mistakes of whites in the CSA), and a non racist white male, be denied a job because some idiots in the past were racist? How is that fair? How is that justice? Making innocent people pay for the mistakes of the past members of society is not justice, nor is it right.