Kidan
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Stormy, actually I do act, say, teach, practice what I speak in these forums. I don't candy coat my teachings, no matter how much trouble i've gotten into from some of the more "PC" leadership of churches i've been in.
a better description of Prophet in that context would be "someone who teaches God's will or Word."
I think we should never deny a gift, and that actually we should strive to recieve as many as we can. That said the Bible makes it clear that WE have control over these gifts, and we should never use them in a way that causes chaos or distracts from the edification of the Church Body.
Kasimir
The thing is there is a difference between charismatics and chaotics
The Bible tells us, that the Holy Spirit will act in certain ways in our lives. Being slain or being drunk in the spirit are not one of those ways.
While yes, the Holy Ghost can knock you off your feet, that's a reaction Bibically reserved for the presence of Christ (see the Gospel of John, John's Revelation, the conversion of Saul, and the Tabernacle in the OT)
but just think about the wording of these activites. Think about the wording of what you are saying. and words and how we say things are very important because they explain exactly what's going on in the thought processes behind these actions.
but let's look at this: "Slain in the Spirit."
How can the Spirit, which brings us comfort slay us? Our faith in Christ has assured us a reward of eternal life, yet here we are being emotionally "Slain" by a spirit, to be resurrected by that self-same spirit when it desires to let go of you. This does not sound like a comforter to me. This does sound like it's stepping outside of the bounds for the Holy Spirit's Charter (for lack of a better word).
Now let's look at "Being Drunk in the Spirit" (i.e. the laughing)
A comforter that takes you out and gets you drunk. Wow, what's next, beernuts and football parties? The Bible tells us to be sober -minded in all things, yet this activity of the spirit is a direct contradiction of that Bible verse. Now according to John the Word is God. The Word is divine, and God inspired. Now if the Word tells us to be sober-minded, why would the spirit come along now and tell us to be "drunk" This doesn't fly, and in fact goes against the previously mentioned verse about being sober-minded.
AS for Testing the Lord, actually Malachi says that we should prove (KJV wording, better translated as test) Him, especially concerning the blessings He will provide if we obey. As well as the OT has numerous examples of people Testing God, and seeking confirmation from Him about His will.
No, from what I've seen, those who have had conversions from this style of activities, are good-weather Christians at best, and at worst, are just running from church to church looking for their next emotional high.
a better description of Prophet in that context would be "someone who teaches God's will or Word."
I think we should never deny a gift, and that actually we should strive to recieve as many as we can. That said the Bible makes it clear that WE have control over these gifts, and we should never use them in a way that causes chaos or distracts from the edification of the Church Body.
Kasimir
The thing is there is a difference between charismatics and chaotics
The Bible tells us, that the Holy Spirit will act in certain ways in our lives. Being slain or being drunk in the spirit are not one of those ways.
While yes, the Holy Ghost can knock you off your feet, that's a reaction Bibically reserved for the presence of Christ (see the Gospel of John, John's Revelation, the conversion of Saul, and the Tabernacle in the OT)
but just think about the wording of these activites. Think about the wording of what you are saying. and words and how we say things are very important because they explain exactly what's going on in the thought processes behind these actions.
but let's look at this: "Slain in the Spirit."
How can the Spirit, which brings us comfort slay us? Our faith in Christ has assured us a reward of eternal life, yet here we are being emotionally "Slain" by a spirit, to be resurrected by that self-same spirit when it desires to let go of you. This does not sound like a comforter to me. This does sound like it's stepping outside of the bounds for the Holy Spirit's Charter (for lack of a better word).
Now let's look at "Being Drunk in the Spirit" (i.e. the laughing)
A comforter that takes you out and gets you drunk. Wow, what's next, beernuts and football parties? The Bible tells us to be sober -minded in all things, yet this activity of the spirit is a direct contradiction of that Bible verse. Now according to John the Word is God. The Word is divine, and God inspired. Now if the Word tells us to be sober-minded, why would the spirit come along now and tell us to be "drunk" This doesn't fly, and in fact goes against the previously mentioned verse about being sober-minded.
AS for Testing the Lord, actually Malachi says that we should prove (KJV wording, better translated as test) Him, especially concerning the blessings He will provide if we obey. As well as the OT has numerous examples of people Testing God, and seeking confirmation from Him about His will.
Give me a good Biblical reference for this. I have asked others who've said this to me to give me one, and have yet to recieve it. Personally to me this sounds like quite a burden, and a heavy one at that. From my readings the burden of Christ is light, and His yoke is easy. I can't imagine a light burden forcing us onto the ground. The presence of Christ can cause people to fall down, but that's not a reaction to our comforter.[b said:Quote[/b] ]that at times we can become so under the presence of the Spirit that we need to lay down/sit down to commune with Him
Attending my church are a number of "Fire School" students. This Fire SChool, is a school of ministry founded by Brownsville converts, who thought that the doctrines of the AoG were too strict. They practice all the charismatic activities, such as being slain in the spirit, speaking constantly in the angelic (unknown, ecstatic) tongues, etc, etc. Now, the point is, these people who are Fire School students, they want nothing to do with the rest of us. they are aloof, and cold and distant, except with each other. There is no love, except towards one another.[b said:Quote[/b] ]The Word sayd that " and you shall know them by their fruit" Matt 7:16 .... and if someone claims to have been "slain in the Sprit, or have been laughing in the Spirit (or crying for that matter, or having just been quite and communing with the Spirit) and there is no fruit in their lives ... well....no rocket science there....but if the fruits of an changed life starts showing
No, from what I've seen, those who have had conversions from this style of activities, are good-weather Christians at best, and at worst, are just running from church to church looking for their next emotional high.