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Quote[/b] ]Why are you people hellbent on dragging your country back to the 17th century?
Better there than dragging it into a nation who is not for the rights of every human, only those which it deems to have sufficient "personhood". Sound familiar? It should, I can think of one major case this century of a nation doing just that...
You're arguing that abortion is a new thing, it's not! The ancient Romans used to do it, and it was one of the things that contributed to the fall of the Empire because they were not producing enough children. Want proof? Grab a history book....
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Quote[/b] ]Partial birth abortions are incredibly rare
Partial birth, or day after. You're still killing another person.
[b said:
Quote[/b] ]Let's see if you make out any better than you have the last FOUR times I've had this debate with y'all.
People never admit that they lose arguments....
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Quote[/b] ]Here's the situation - society is constantly evolving. The needs and demands that society makes on us have changed, and the fact is that reproductive system has NOT evolved apace with those changes. People are marrying later, they are having smaller families and they are generally not falling into the traditional pattern of home maker and bread winner. These days BOTH parents generally have to work in order to support a middle class family with two kids.
Fine. Both my parants worked hard to support two children without having to have an abortion....continue.
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Quote[/b] ]In addition women are FINALLY climbing out from under men. In the past it was considered necessary for a woman to sacrifice her own ambitions, talents and expectations to her husbands career. This is no longer the case. Previously sex was generally viewed as mostly a means of procreation - as far as women were concerned. The female orgasm used to be considered a MYTH, sex wasn't supposed to be pleasant for women, it was supposed to be a duty.
That's fine, but it still doesn't change what sex does, and it wont change the result of engaging in sexual activity.
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Quote[/b] ]Well, we relearned a few skills in the last 100 years, and now we know that sex is just as enjoyable for women as it is for men. As part of their general process of achieving equilibrium there are a lot more sexually aggressive women out there, enjoying themselves, having careers, and basically behaving in much the same way as men their age have done since the Middle Ages.
Excellent justification for the slaughter of innocent children! It's all fine and dandy because women are no longer able to control their sexual urges! Abortion is beginning to make sense!
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Quote[/b] ]Some of you do not like this. Well, tough! I'm afraid that the real world is the world we have to live in. I have explained to you how the real world works, and I suggest that you either refute that this is the case, or else you begin to deal with it.
Of course when you consider that legions of people go through life without having to have a single abortion I fail how this is a necessary component of the "real world".
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Quote[/b] ]Moving on, where you have sex and alcohol in juxtaposition, you're going to end up with unwanted pregnancies.
Ok ladies and gentlemen. The justifications for abortion so far are as follows:
1. Women can no longer control their sexual urges.
2. Women can't hold their liquor, and this is somehow the fault of the child. The punishment for this crime is death.
OK, let's continue.
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Quote[/b] ]This is not desirable, because these days, most young women cannot afford to throw away the time and money to carry an unwanted baby to term, or to bring it up.
They don't have to bring it up because many people wish to adopt children. Otherwise, tough! You should be more responsible at social gatherings.
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Quote[/b] ]In addition most of these women had sex with partners that they don't have a stable partnership with - an environment illfitted for the introduction of children.
Which is why we have adoption, to give the child two willing parents.
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Quote[/b] ]Given the kind of numbers we're playing with, no matter how good the contraception method (and don't forget that the Catholics STILL aren't too keen on contraception!) you're going to be looking at some unwanted pregnancies. It's simple numbers, people.
Parachutes don't always open either unfortunately. Welcome to the wonderful world of calculated risks. Should we stop introducing new designs of aircraft because there is a possibility that the test pilot may get injured?
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Quote[/b] ]Most career women CANNOT take the time out to have a baby,
Maternity leave, what a wonderful thing it is!
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Quote[/b] ]They do not want it. They will not have it.
They should have thought about that before they made stupid decisions. Again, ADOPTION PEOPLE!
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Quote[/b] ]Even if you find a way to make them carry the child to term you CANNOT make them raise it
She doesn't have to raise it, we have ADOPTIONS!
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Quote[/b] ]Most social welfare systems are badly underfunded to deal with the CURRENT crop of unwanted children - how would they deal with the population plague that you would wish on them?
I have a solution for this, but I'm tired of saying it....
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Quote[/b] ]Given the population situation in the world, what we really DON'T need is MORE PEOPLE. We have too many already!
So then, don't make more. Got too much pizza? Don't order another one! Eating for one at Swiss Chalet? Don't order a family pack! Simple solutions we can all do Eon, and none of them involve slaughtering innocent children!