Practice Christianity = Get Kicked Off Campus???

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http://www.alliancedefensefund.org/news/pressrelease.aspx?cid=4025

In the interest of full disclosure, ADF is a legal organization formed to promote and protect the rights of Christianity and Christians.

That being said, brief synopsis: The campus Christian organization Commissioned II Lovewas formally expelled from Savannah State a couple of days ago. The college cited "harassment" and "hazing" as the reasons for their suspension from campus a year ago. They were expelled after several members attended a Christian concert. The "harassment" involved sharing their faith. The "hazing" was the washing of new members feet at an initiation meeting.

So, apparently, at Savannah State you are allowed to practice Christianity as long as you choose not to be like Jesus.
 
That's stupid. I like my school. We have an on-campus synagogue, methodist church, and mosque, and everybody gets along just fine.
 
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I'm agree with you Wild Bill. I will have to pray for them.

It sounds even more absurd once you read the .pdf on the ADF site. Although you kind of said it It I would like to emphasize...
1. Even if foot washing was hazardous (not that it is) it's voluntary not mandatory for membership making it even farther from the definition of hazing.
2. That Christian music event was off campus and the trip there was not affiliated with C2L (including members and non-members of C2L). Just why does a university have any authority beyond it's campus???

So you know I saw this story on the 700 Club first although some of their source material comes from the ADF.
http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/115315.aspx

I've been scaling back my posting. It takes toooo long to research/phrase these things ;)
 
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The Mighty Gerbil said:
Just why does a university have any authority beyond it's campus???
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If a university isn't doing anything to combat underaged drinking off campus, then what gives them the nerve to step in when it involves religion?

Of course, they have no right to step in on religion anyways... unless it involves drinking goats blood and biting the heads off kittens.

This just makes me so mad :mad:. Christianity is constantly on the receiving end of criticism and persecution. Ahhhh mad! :mad:

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tjguitarz said:
Christianity is constantly on the receiving end of criticism and persecution.
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That's what happens when your world is ruled by Satan. It makes you wonder how people can't see that Christianity is persecuted more often then any other religion. Isn't it obvious that the our Savior's antithesis, Satan, is behind all these attacks? The ruler of this evil world has the power to tempt its inhabitants with evil and hateful thoughts -- cause and effect.
 
This all reminds me of an incident that happened at my old college, Iowa State. The LGBTA alliance (for all of you that don't know the words that's Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual ,Transgender, Ally Alliance) put up posters all over campus of 3 scenes; a guy kissing a girl, a girl kissing a girl, and a guy kissing a guy. This was to promote tolerance on campus during their own special week. Anyways, all the gay or lesbian pictures were destroyed or messed up in some way as it offended many people. Then the LGBTA decided that wasn't a good thing and posted all the destroyed posters behind glass at the central building with the words, "This is a hate crime"

Now personally, I think they over stepped their boundaries. There are special places designed on campus for protests and by putting these posters all over campus you are showing you first amendment right, but by others destroying them, those people are also showing their first amendment rights. But basically we as a student body as a hole got told that we HAVE to accept their beliefs and respect them, even though they don't accept/ nor respect ours.... whatever :(
 
Whon said:
Now personally, I think they over stepped their boundaries. There are special places designed on campus for protests and by putting these posters all over campus you are showing you first amendment right, but by others destroying them, those people are also showing their first amendment rights. But basically we as a student body as a hole got told that we HAVE to accept their beliefs and respect them, even though they don't accept/ nor respect ours.... whatever :(
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technically, people destroying those posters is a crime - not necessarily a hate crime ( and I have whole other issues involved there) but it is destruction of private property.
 
Keep in mind that it was STUDENTS that organized a petition to get rid of the campus ministry. Also keep in mind that Georgia is smack dab on the middle of the Bible Belt.

That has to say something about this ministry group.

Something had to provoke other students to file this grievance...maybe they got tired of the in-your-face, holier than thou attitude of the group.

While I agree with the harassment part of the citation, the hazing part is just utterly ridiculous.

I just took a look at their website and found several other campus ministries that are active including the Greater Impact Campus Ministry. So claiming that the university is trying to purge itself of Christians (which many, if not all of the articles I've read on this issue have) is not only ludicrous, but an outright lie. That being said, that would make the title of this thread, "Practice Christianity = Get Kicked Off Campus???" just a tad bit disingenuous.

I also did a search through the campus paper and their message boards and found ZERO on this topic.

EDIT: I also couldn't find anything other than the standard press release on C2L's website. I did notice that they deactivated their link that discusses the "Process of Purity".
 
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tjguitarz said:
That's what happens when your world is ruled by Satan. It makes you wonder how people can't see that Christianity is persecuted more often then any other religion. Isn't it obvious that the our Savior's antithesis, Satan, is behind all these attacks? The ruler of this evil world has the power to tempt its inhabitants with evil and hateful thoughts -- cause and effect.
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How is this an example of Christian persecution?

As I've stated, there are several other Christian groups on campus that are thriving. Why aren't they being "persecuted"?

No offense, but this is just another example of the ubiquitous Christian Persecution Complex.
 
Kidan said:
technically, people destroying those posters is a crime - not necessarily a hate crime ( and I have whole other issues involved there) but it is destruction of private property.
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I really should clarify myself better... these posters are color paper that they stapled to trees and taped on the sidewalk, or put on billboards like where you would hang touter adds or for sale sheets. Plus like I said the school has setup areas for protests and discussions, in my opinion to protest outside of the schools set areas is violating other students rights so why should said students care about the protesters rights????
 
I don't see a problem with the LGBTA-whatever-other-letters-I-missed putting up those posters as long as your school doesn't censor ANY posters (i.e. anyone is free to put some up). I don't like censorship, and as long as I can put up posters advertising services at my church or my political opinions, I think other people should be able to do the same thing.

If, on the other hand, they're censoring some people but letting through the ones you found offensive, I'd say that's pretty warped.

I think DV has a good point in mentioning that it was the student body themselves that initiated the expulsion, not the staff of the university. However, I still don't see why *every* student group that doesn't promote illegal activity can't be allowed to meet. It does show a certain amount of prejudice.
 
Stopped reading when the author of your article called many Christian activists "The American Taliban", DV.

Did not mean for this to turn into a RD topic. Closing thread now.
 
Moderator's Note: Re-opening thread.

I've decided to re-open this thread in hopes of encouraging civil discussion on the tension between practicing Christianity and a government established to protect religious freedom. If the thread deteriorates, moderators, as always, have a right and a responsibility to close the thread.

I agree with WildBillKickoff that comparing Christian activists to a terrorist organization immediately identifies the article's author as a person with no real interest in legitimate debate and seriously damages the author's credibility. I would ask that all members, no matter their viewpoint, carefully consider the links they post.
 
Dark Virtue said:
No offense, but this is just another example of the ubiquitous Christian Persecution Complex.
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I've read a number of articles on the subject of Christianity, prayer in school, separation of church and state, and so on. Articles on the subjects seem to be written by two types of people:
  1. Conservative or ultra-conservative Christians who imply that the founding fathers meant to protect Christianity and Christianity only, and
  2. Liberal or ultra-liberal atheists that use hateful and condescending language to depict all Christians as "uncultured" religious zealots.
If anyone can link to an article not reflecting one of these two viewpoints, please link to it in this thread.

As may have been perceived in other threads, I consider myself a political moderate. I'm wholeheartedly against legalized abortion in any case except when the mother's life is at risk. I believe that the protection of freedom of speech is vital in preventing an authoritarian state where dissenting opinions are silenced by prior restraint. I believe that journalism can be used to keep government, business, religious, and community leaders accountable to the people they serve.

SIDE NOTE: Of course, I also believe that modern journalism is in a shameful state. Ownership by large corporations and the general "ignorance is bliss" attitude of the American public has turned the news media into little more than an infotainment circus. If you think I'm being unfair, pick up a copy of USA Today or watch broadcast news. Why does CNN devote hours to covering the kidnapping of a single child when news that affects thousands and millions of people goes uncovered?

In the post-9/11 world, and, if we're honest, since the beginning of time, politicians have led by fear. Republicans tell their constituents, "The Democrats will usher in an authoritarian socialist state. The government will take the money you earn and give it to illegal immigrants and the UN." Democrats tell their constituents, "The Republicans will usher in an oligarchy. The government will purchase homeless people and sell them to cannibalistic Republicans for dinner." Hyper-polarization is a terrible mode of debate, but, because it works, politicians continue to use it. American political "debate" edges closer and closer to a Jerry Springer-style spectacle. Meanwhile, moderate voices are drowned out by the screams of either end of the political spectrum.

My point is this: Let's not jump to conclusions. There's at least two sides to every story. Instead of taking the ADF report at face value, let's research and see why one Christian campus ministry was expelled while another wasn't. It may turn out that the ADF is factual and complete, but let's not assume it is simply because it's reported by a Christian organization.

More importantly, let's not give in the hyper-polarization mode of debate so popular in America today. Let's talk it out, think it through, and respect one another while we debate.
 
Tek7 said:
My point is this: Let's not jump to conclusions. There's at least two sides to every story. Instead of taking the ADF report at face value, let's research and see why one Christian campus ministry was expelled while another wasn't. It may turn out that the ADF is factual and complete, but let's not assume it is simply because it's reported by a Christian organization.
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Let me point out it was the ATHEIST that suggested that first :D
 
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