Yup........I have 3D Studio Max.and thats a $5000 program..but I need it anyways...im learning it and Im sure as heck not spending $5000 on a COMPACT DISC with a 4842134 page book. I bet to make it it doesnt cost $5000! Yeah, but I know...they need a profit, but still.[b said:Quote[/b] (dudedude7000 @ Oct. 26 2004,10:49)]You cheeso! Pirating stuff is bad! Although when the stuf is as expensive as acid, there's really not much of an alternative to us poor serfs of the land. I wish companies would make thier sofware more within the $50 range so I might be able to afford it, otherwise I have to find a freeware alternative (like Skale) or be a cheeso and pirate it.